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[altruismsuffers]

Most people don't even know what happened to World Trade Center 7 nine years ago.

[guido911]

Most people don't even know what happened to World Trade Center 7 nine years ago.

Welcome back. I see nothing much has changed.

[altruismsuffers]

9/11 is less then a week away.  People should know that 3 buildings fell and not just two.  Nothing wrong with a little education right?

[guido911]

9/11 is less then a week away.  People should know that 3 buildings fell and not just two.  Nothing wrong with a little education right?

Didn't you and IPLAW have it out over that event? You are seriously believing that something other than those two planes brought down the WTC?

[altruismsuffers]

Yeah IPLAW was my biggest foe.  If planes brought down the twin towers then what dropped world trade center 7?  I am not saying planes didn't crash into the towers, it was just not what made them fall.

[guido911]

Yeah IPLAW was my biggest foe.  If planes brought down the twin towers then what dropped world trade center 7?  I am not saying planes didn't crash into the towers, it was just not what made them fall.

Under normal circumstances, I would bust out the "industrial strength bong" pic. Can't do that here because you are at least consistent.

[altruismsuffers]

1,270 Architects/Engineers Reveal Hard Evidence of Explosive Demolition at World Trade Center on 9/11

http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20100907/pl_usnw/DC60870;_ylt=AsRqyt7puHJtFH.3gW17eHQEKekE;_ylu=X3oDMTJmMm5wczhhBGFzc2V0A3VzbncvMjAxMDA5MDcvZGM2MDg3MARwb3MDMgRzZWMDeW5fcGFnaW5hdGVfc3VtbWFyeV9saXN0BHNsawNmdWxsbmJzcHN0b3I-

[dbacks fan]

Where were these experts 9 years ago? Like Kennedy, time has passed since the original event. It is not that I doubt their opinion, but the US Government could not cover this up, or are you going back to Pearl Harbor and claiming that FDR wanted to enter WWII so much that the US orchestrated Pearl Harbor, Korea, Viet Nam, JFK's assasinationation as well as MLK and RFK, George Wallace, Malcom X, the attempts on Ford, Reagan, John Lennon, Carter and the rabbit, the explosion of the Titan Missile in Little Rock, and Rodney King?

[dbacks fan]

And speaking of JFK, if you were a sniper, wouldn't you take the shot while his procession was heading towards the School Book  Depository on Houston, before it turned onto Elm and he was heading away from view? From the time the motorcade turned from Main onto Houston until they turned onto Elm was the prime kill zone, after the turn onto Elm and when the shots were fired was a rookie/wanna be shot.

I guess that the Hindenburg was also a plot.

[dbacks fan]

As for WTC 7, it probably collapsed because it was on top of the underground parking/subway structure that it was built upon. Once the towers collapsed the integrity of the structure that WTC 7 was built upon had no strength to support it.

This is a cross section of the spar that ran from wing tip to wing tip on a DC-3. This is similar to the reinforcement of the main structure of a modern aircraft. It is made from aluminum.





The floor and the vast majority of the structure of a 757 and 767 is made of this.

Yes, this is an ashtryay, it was made by my grandfather when he worked for Douglas in Long Beach with the group that developed the DC-3.

By the way, this is not cast aluminium, it is extruded, so the strength is much greater, while maintaining the lightnes.

And at 400+mph it acts like a knife to anything it hits.

[nathanm]

As for WTC 7, it probably collapsed because it was on top of the underground parking/subway structure that it was built upon. Once the towers collapsed the integrity of the structure that WTC 7 was built upon had no strength to support it.

It was the fact that WTC7 was cantilevered over an electrical substation combined with a raging fire in the equipment room weakening the trusses supporting the cantilever. Why the fire? Because some jackass didn't install the necessary safety equipment on the huge diesel tanks to prevent them from leaking the entirety of their contents if piping was ruptured, which it was..by falling debris.

IIRC, the PATH and subway stations were under the main WTC site, although not directly under WTC1 and 2. Schematic diagrams produced at the time of construction are around on some railfan sites. (The 1 line runs between the old hudson terminal and the old new path terminal)

[Breadburner]

Alt's a troofer idiot....IPlaw spanked him off the board......

[altruismsuffers]

@Dbacks:  You forgot The Gulf of Tonkin incident which has been outright admitted to be completely contrived (http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/07/08/robert-mcnamara-deceived-lbj-on-gulf-of-tonkin/).  And I am talking about 9/11 here (Specifically wtc 7) not these other events which are also most likely very distorted from the truth but are not the topic at hand.

@NathanM:  The diesel tanks did NOT turn into a raging fire, this has been admitted by the "official" story tellers, "NIST determined that diesel fuel did not play an important role, nor did the structural damage from the collapse of the twin towers" (http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCSTAR_1A_for_public_comment.pdf).  Just because you say it was "Cantilevered" over a substation does not make it true, show me evidence. So your telling me the idiots that spent some 15 million dollars reinforcing mayor Giuliani's emergency bunker never thought once to check the substructure of this building?  And that the CIA, FBI, IRS, and Secret Service all decided to make this shanty building (apparently the worst built one in the entire area) their home?  Even the post office next door didn't fall down.  3,4,5, or 6 which were directly under 1 and 2 didn't collapse either?  Your argument is weak sauce.

[nathanm]

@Dbacks:  You forgot The Gulf of Tonkin incident which has been outright admitted to be completely contrived (http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/07/08/robert-mcnamara-deceived-lbj-on-gulf-of-tonkin/).  And I am talking about 9/11 here (Specifically wtc 7) not these other events which are also most likely very distorted from the truth but are not the topic at hand.

@NathanM:  The diesel tanks did NOT turn into a raging fire, this has been admitted by the "official" story tellers, "NIST determined that diesel fuel did not play an important role, nor did the structural damage from the collapse of the twin towers" (http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCSTAR_1A_for_public_comment.pdf).  Just because you say it was "Cantilevered" over a substation does not make it true, show me evidence. So your telling me the idiots that spent some 15 million dollars reinforcing mayor Giuliani's emergency bunker never thought once to check the substructure of this building?  And that the CIA, FBI, IRS, and Secret Service all decided to make this shanty building (apparently the worst built one in the entire area) their home?  Even the post office next door didn't fall down.  3,4,5, or 6 which were directly under 1 and 2 didn't collapse either?  Your argument is weak sauce.

3,4,5, and 6 were largely destroyed by falling debris. I specifically recall an account of a few folks barely making it out of the Marriott alive due to that. Not that that has anything at all to do with WTC7, which is, as you are well aware, are completely separate buildings from the one we are discussing.

The very NIST report you cite in an attempt to state categorically that the (clearly existent on news footage) fire had nothing to do with with the collapse talks about the cantilever. Look at Appendix L, which has a diagram of both the substation relative to the footprint of WTC7 and diagrams of the transfer trusses that allowed the building to extend out over the substation above the level of the substation.

Also, the report does not substantiate your claim:

From available data of fire locations in WTC 7, likely locations would include Floors 5, 6, 7,
8, 9, 11, 12, and 13. No fires were observed on Floor 5, but the lack of windows and the
presence of fuel systems on the south, west, and north floor areas indicate that fire should be
considered as a possibility on this floor.

[Gaspar]

Construction Complete On 9/11 Truther Memorial

http://www.theonion.com/articles/construction-complete-on-911-truther-memorial,18034/