Voting for democrats will help Oklahoma's economy

[guido911]

Poverty pimpin' at it's finest.  Wow, keep folks mired in mediocrity for votes at the expense of the productive people in society.

It's not only poverty pimpin, it's also "Let's scare the Depends off Grandma!"

http://www.cicilline.com/release.cfm?ID=39

[Cats Cats Cats]

How about actually trying to read what the Tea Party stands for instead of filtered interpretation of it:

"We, the citizens of the United States of America, call upon those seeking to represent us in public office to sign the Contract from America and by doing so commit to support each of its agenda items and advocate on behalf of individual liberty, limited government, and economic freedom.

Protect the Constitution
Reject Cap & Trade
Demand a Balanced Budget
Enact Fundamental Tax Reform
Restore Fiscal Responsibility & Constitutionally Limited Government
End Runaway Government Spending
Defund, Repeal, & Replace Government-run Health Care
Pass an 'All-of-the-Above" Energy Policy
Stop the Pork
Stop the Tax Hikes"

http://www.thecontract.org/

Its great there is a website that posts what they say that they stand for.  Actually, it looks like the Pledge to America the GOP put out, so based on that, I must say it sounds like the TEA party is just the GOP but they got the letters mixed up on the keyboard.  The TEA party does say all this stuff, then the first thing they want to do is vote for Sarah Palin.  There is what you say you are for and what you actually do.  Take one of the only real Tea Party people.  http://christine2010.com/why-christine/  "granting terrorists precious Constitutional rights"  I personal believe that US citizens should be given their Consitutional rights.  So again, the "protect the Consitution" is only in the places you want to protect it. 

[Conan71]

Its great there is a website that posts what they say that they stand for.  Actually, it looks like the Pledge to America the GOP put out, so based on that, I must say it sounds like the TEA party is just the GOP but they got the letters mixed up on the keyboard.  The TEA party does say all this stuff, then the first thing they want to do is vote for Sarah Palin.  There is what you say you are for and what you actually do.  Take one of the only real Tea Party people.  http://christine2010.com/why-christine/  "granting terrorists precious Constitutional rights"  I personal believe that US citizens should be given their Consitutional rights.  So again, the "protect the Consitution" is only in the places you want to protect it.  

Where did you read on the Tea Party web site they want to vote for Sarah Palin? I didn't see it.  Are we back to supposition and liberal view of the Tea Party again?

I'm totally missing what you were trying to say about Christine O'Donnell's stance on not bestowing Constitutional rights... care to re-write that?

Here's a summary from CBS of the Pledge To America

Jobs:

- Stop job-killing tax hikes

- Allow small businesses to take a tax deduction equal to 20 percent of their income

- Require congressional approval for any new federal regulation that would add to the deficit

- Repeal small business mandates in the new health care law.


Cutting Spending:

- Repeal and Replace health care

- Roll back non-discretionary spending to 2008 levels before TARP and stimulus (will save $100 billion in first year alone)

- Establish strict budget caps to limit federal spending going forward

- Cancel all future TARP payments and reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac


Reforming Congress:

- Will require that every bill have a citation of constitutional authority

- Give members at least 3 days to read bills before a vote


Defense:


- Provide resources to troops

- Fund missile defense

- Enforce sanctions in Iran

Here's a link to the 21 page document:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/37958976/GOP-Pledge-to-America

[Cats Cats Cats]

Her page says "Believes terrorism is an act of war requiring the full force of our intelligence and military resources rather than granting terrorists precious Constitutional rights and outsourcing our foreign policy to the U.N."  I take that as meaning that we shouldn't be granting terrorists any Constitutional rights.

And why do they say, vote for Sarah Palin?  First, watch my video of the guy who says don't vote for Sarah Palin and gets yelled off the stage at a TEA party event.  Here is another guy getting booted to the "free speech zone" for having an anti-palin sign. 

   The article you posted
http://thestir.cafemom.com/in_the_news/110141/the_tea_party_in_beverly ends with " Maybe someday soon it will even be cool to admire Sarah Palin in public. Stranger things have happened, you know."

So maybe they aren't saying you should vote for Palin (not that she is even running yet).  But you at least cannot say anything bad about her at a TEA party event.

[Conan71]

Why should non-citizen terrorists be given the same rights bestowed on our citizens?

Secondly, if your world view of the Tea Party, GOP, or even the Democratic Party is all Youtube videos, we have nothing more to discuss.  

I'm interested in the stated policies espoused by parties, influential movements, and their candidates not disaffected kooks who aren't really even sure why they are at a rally in the first place.  I've already explained I'm not into defining political parties or movements by the small minority of nutcases who attract 90% of the attention and that goes for the whackadoodles who show up at liberal rallies as well.  If you care to have a conversation based in reality on stated policy, I'm all for it.  If you want to have a douching contest between conservatives and liberals, I'll leave that to someone else.

If Sarah Palin is the conduit in waking up people to an out of control government which requires more and more money and takes more liberties with every vote, so be it.

[Ed W]

How do you feel about being called a libtard?

You'll have to excuse me for taking so long to respond.  I'm incommunicado through the day.  And 'incommunicado' is a libtard word for "I have a job." Just take my word for it.  Having been educated outside the glorious state of Oklahoma, I actually know and use polysyllabic words.  Oh, sorry.  That means words of more than one or two syllables.  Oh, um, a 'syllable' is merely part of a word....oh, why bother...

[guido911]

You'll have to excuse me for taking so long to respond.  I'm incommunicado through the day.  And 'incommunicado' is a libtard word for "I have a job." Just take my word for it.  Having been educated outside the glorious state of Oklahoma, I actually know and use polysyllabic words.  Oh, sorry.  That means words of more than one or two syllables.  Oh, um, a 'syllable' is merely part of a word....oh, why bother...

Man you better not as much as misspell a single word in your posts from hereon out.

[Ed W]

Man you better not as much as misspell a single word in your posts from hereon out.

I tend to be kind of obsessive about spelling, Guido.  Part of that comes from my high school teacher, Elsie Schwartz, herself a big heaping bag of neurotic behavior and an almost pathological drive to see that we adhered to her plethora of rules.  (I'll stop - I swear.)  She was a royal PITA but she did teach us vocabulary and spelling.  Her husband demanded the same, but taught me to really enjoy American history.  He was one of those rare instructors whose enthusiasm for the subject was infectious.

The other reason to spell properly is simple - if you misspell common words or can't write a coherent sentence - you look like a dummy regardless of your real intelligence.  Maybe that's old fashioned, but it's unlikely I'll change.

[Red Arrow]

I tend to be kind of obsessive about spelling, Guido.  Part of that comes from my high school teacher, Elsie Schwartz, herself a big heaping bag of neurotic behavior and an almost pathological drive to see that we adhered to her plethora of rules.  (I'll stop - I swear.)  She was a royal PITA but she did teach us vocabulary and spelling.  Her husband demanded the same, but taught me to really enjoy American history.  He was one of those rare instructors whose enthusiasm for the subject was infectious.

The other reason to spell properly is simple - if you misspell common words or can't write a coherent sentence - you look like a dummy regardless of your real intelligence.  Maybe that's old fashioned, but it's unlikely I'll change.

Give yourself a chance.  I'm learning to misspell werds and rite with a Oklahoma accent, sorta.

[Cats Cats Cats]

Why should non-citizen terrorists be given the same rights bestowed on our citizens?

Where does she say non-citizen?  Oh right, she doesn't.  People who care so deeply for our right don't leave things like that out.

[Conan71]

Where does she say non-citizen?  Oh right, she doesn't.  People who care so deeply for our right don't leave things like that out.

One could make a safe assumption that's what she's referring to since 99% of terrorists seem to be foreign nationals, Trog.  Nit-pick a Senate candidate and potential POTUS '12 candidate (Palin) all you like if it helps you better justify being a fan of ridiculous liberal policies.

[nathanm]

One could make a safe assumption that's what she's referring to since 99% of terrorists seem to be foreign nationals, Trog.  Nit-pick a Senate candidate and potential POTUS '12 candidate (Palin) all you like if it helps you better justify being a fan of ridiculous liberal policies.

I don't know about 99 out of 100. Perhaps 99 out of 100 who get labeled as terrorists. It seems that people who do anything short of using bombs in our own country don't get called terrorists, even if there's an obvious attempt to use fear to force a particular reaction involved. That's one of my big problems with the "terrorist" label. It's essentially meaningless. It's not "terrorist" to burn down (or gun down people in) a house of worship in an attempt to scare the congregants due to their views or their identity, but it is if you blow them up instead. Like fascism, it has come to mean "something I really, really, really, don't like."

[Conan71]

Well shame on Miss O'Donnell for not being more specific.  Give her twenty whacks er lashes

[Cats Cats Cats]

One could make a safe assumption that's what she's referring to since 99% of terrorists seem to be foreign nationals, Trog.  Nit-pick a Senate candidate and potential POTUS '12 candidate (Palin) all you like if it helps you better justify being a fan of ridiculous liberal policies.

Most terrorists in other countries are non-US citizens.  Most terrorists in the US are US citizens.  Remember we have had a US citizen labeled an enemy combatant.  Also, have held US citizens in gitmo without due process.  I do not find that to be a joke.  I agree with a majority of what the tea party says.  I just want spending cut, then taxes.  Not taxes then spending.  Palin is a moron, the constitution is meant for ALL citizens.  The government shouldn't be able to take away your citizenship and hold you indefinitely.  The government has no right to wiretap US citizens on calls out of the country without a FISA warrant.

[Conan71]

Most terrorists in other countries are non-US citizens.  Most terrorists in the US are US citizens.  Remember we have had a US citizen labeled an enemy combatant.  Also, have held US citizens in gitmo without due process.  I do not find that to be a joke.  I agree with a majority of what the tea party says.  I just want spending cut, then taxes.  Not taxes then spending.  Palin is a moron, the constitution is meant for ALL citizens.  The government shouldn't be able to take away your citizenship and hold you indefinitely.  The government has no right to wiretap US citizens on calls out of the country without a FISA warrant.

I'd say we are pretty much in agreement on fiscal issues.  I really don't see tax cuts as being a catalyst for job creation, though in theory if all people have more disposable income, it stands to reason they can consume more.  If business owners say tax cuts are what they want and they will create jobs then call their bluff and do it.  If there's no substantive growth in a certain amount of time, raise taxes again.  More or less what the idea is behind a two year extension on the Bush tax cuts.

Myself and others have said as well that "terrorist" is over-used on other discussions in the past.  I took her statement along the lines of the ridiculous notion of wanting to try terrorists in criminal courts of law.  As I recall, didn't President Obama actually ratchet up the warrantless tapping?  I don't get in too much of a twist over that as I'm law-abiding and would be of zero interest to the feds.  I believe as much as the next person in a right to privacy.  However, I would assume the only people who are getting tapped are those they have on intel lists.  So, I'm not too terribly concerned about how the government gains intelligence which might prevent another 9/11.  I'm of the opinion that people aren't randomly put on lists and eavesdropped on.  There's generally a good reason the spooks are tuned in.