RFQ - distributed by Kaiser Foundation for Blair/Crow Creek properties

[waterboy]

Now there's creative recycling for historical artifacts.

I envision a concession for canoes, kayaks, a small electric ferry and perhaps a canal security guy with a small jet boat. Its only 1.5 mile but could be done a lot cheaper than most proposals. The low swampy area on the south side of the Blair property could be a staging area. The canal would actually travel over Riverside drive and gently slide into the river.

[Conan71]

....and gently slide into the river.

Been reading Mrs. Waterboy's Harlequin romance novels again, eh?

[waterboy]

Mostly into periodicals but same imagery I guess. How cool would it be to have those log flume cars on a rail in the stream moving slowly, methodically, rhythmically along its gentle curves, probing the depths of the canal till exploding into the river with a gleeful, yet muffled scream of delight?

[Townsend]

Mostly into periodicals but same imagery I guess. How cool would it be to have those log flume cars on a rail in the stream moving slowly, methodically, rhythmically along its gentle curves, probing the depths of the canal till exploding into the river with a gleeful, yet muffled scream of delight?

and scene

[Conan71]

Mostly into periodicals but same imagery I guess. How cool would it be to have those log flume cars on a rail in the stream moving slowly, methodically, rhythmically along its gentle curves, probing the depths of the canal till exploding into the river with a gleeful, yet muffled scream of delight?

Sheesh, I think I'm going to have to take up smoking again

[YoungTulsan]

Foundations and city's are in it for the long haul. Its not PR, its just the way it has to happen because there can be no real innovative change like this without a Kaiser, Warren or Chesapeake to spearhead it. They take out the politics and the tax complainers.

Yeah, I was just saying re: your suggestion they were deferring controversy that you probably couldn't move any faster anyway in Tulsa.

[waterboy]

Yeah, I was just saying re: your suggestion they were deferring controversy that you probably couldn't move any faster anyway in Tulsa.

Yeah, true. The deferring controversy is sort of a zig zag maneuver to keep folks from poking their noses into the process. I actually think the Kaiser foundation has done a fine job of finding a vehicle (RPA) and a mission (improvement of the river banks) that will eventually effect some development along the river area. Not the development I would savor, but any attention is good. Remember, its been over 20 years since any real change has happened over there. They have now set up a working relationship and can make something happen.

[dbacks fan]

Mostly into periodicals but same imagery I guess. How cool would it be to have those log flume cars on a rail in the stream moving slowly, methodically, rhythmically along its gentle curves, probing the depths of the canal till exploding into the river with a gleeful, yet muffled scream of delight?

I just....Um....ahh....just don't have a comment.

[Rico]

Yeah, true. The deferring controversy is sort of a zig zag maneuver to keep folks from poking their noses into the process. I actually think the Kaiser foundation has done a fine job of finding a vehicle (RPA) and a mission (improvement of the river banks) that will eventually effect some development along the river area. Not the development I would savor, but any attention is good. Remember, its been over 20 years since any real change has happened over there. They have now set up a working relationship and can make something happen.

Yeah, yeah, yeah................. When do we get to the part about the rebirth of the "Channels"?  Or was it "Chanel"...?

[waterboy]

Yeah, yeah, yeah................. When do we get to the part about the rebirth of the "Channels"?  Or was it "Chanel"...?

Are the Warren's and the Kaiser Foundation that close? But, I get it. Most folks running in those circles are prone to being out of touch with the rest of us.

[Conan71]

Are the Warren's and the Kaiser Foundation that close? But, I get it. Most folks running in those circles are prone to being out of touch with the rest of us.

It's not that, WB.  They simply know what is best for the rest of us. 

[Rico]

Now H20..... Let me see if I understand your question.

Are the Warren's and the Kaiser Foundation that close?

If I remember correctly you were in attendance at many if not all of the "Channels" meetings. The ones that they had, to explain how Bing Thom and Company, had arrived to lead us out of the darkness.

Seems you also attended the TYPro's concert held by the current majority of members on this board.

But.... You don't remember that the "Channels" was a group effort as explained here.>>> http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4182/is_20060907/ai_n16724787/?tag=content;col1


As explained on the second page, of the above referenced article, the "Tulsa Stakeholders" were a group............. well they explain it much better.


   Tulsa Stakeholders - the offspring of a gathering of friends 18 months ago - would work in support with the Tulsa Community Foundation. The other founders of Tulsa Stakeholders are Margie Warren, Scott Lambert and Rusty Patton. More information is available at/


What fun it is to take a glance at the current "Board of Directors of the "Tulsa Community Foundation". The largest proponents of the "Channels.
have a look>>>
http://www.tulsacf.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=47&Itemid=77


I have no personal choice as to whether they ever wind up building their island in the sun.....
But it is always best to look at the big picture and which way the wind is blowing...

[sgrizzle]

I think you were trying to say they overlap but provide nothing to support it.

The channels was Warren Jr and a couple of friends talking over drinks. The only real link between their vision for the river and Kaiser's is that they both had Bing Thom do some work but they were completely different plans.

Bing Thom is an architect tasked with trying to make a concept become reality, just like Pelli. The idea of building an arena wasn't Pelli's idea so don't think the island was all Bing Thom's either.

[waterboy]

Now H20..... Let me see if I understand your question.

Are the Warren's and the Kaiser Foundation that close?

If I remember correctly you were in attendance at many if not all of the "Channels" meetings. The ones that they had, to explain how Bing Thom and Company, had arrived to lead us out of the darkness.

Seems you also attended the TYPro's concert held by the current majority of members on this board.

But.... You don't remember that the "Channels" was a group effort as explained here.>>> http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4182/is_20060907/ai_n16724787/?tag=content;col1


As explained on the second page, of the above referenced article, the "Tulsa Stakeholders" were a group............. well they explain it much better.


   Tulsa Stakeholders - the offspring of a gathering of friends 18 months ago - would work in support with the Tulsa Community Foundation. The other founders of Tulsa Stakeholders are Margie Warren, Scott Lambert and Rusty Patton. More information is available at/


What fun it is to take a glance at the current "Board of Directors of the "Tulsa Community Foundation". The largest proponents of the "Channels.
have a look>>>
http://www.tulsacf.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=47&Itemid=77


I have no personal choice as to whether they ever wind up building their island in the sun.....
But it is always best to look at the big picture and which way the wind is blowing...

Someday, Rico, I would like you to introduce yourself to me. I'll buy your beer. Your memory is better than mine for sure. Thanks for reminding me. I did attend some of the Channels meetings, including the engineering ones that Benham had. That was fun. Like a living Salvador Dali painting (pretty pictures but lots of suspended belief). My head swims knowing how close I was to real wealth and power...yet not a drop for me!

And, what was the TYPRO's event? I seem to remember something with large crowds of inebriated young people over by the floating amphitheatre, but I don't remember why. I knew I was too old to be there!

It became obvious, I think, even to them, the folly of the Channels project as it progressed through the planning stages. Partly because of a lack of real understanding of the river upstream from Tulsa and partly because of a dissociation from the proletariat. I like grand visions but reality is neat too. There were lots of puppies looking for a teat that fed them what they wanted to hear.

I see that a representative of the Kaiser Foundation is also on the Tulsa Community Foundation. No doubt there are many of those same faces on other foundation boards as well. I confess that I didn't remember them being so involved. Maybe you are right that they still harbor some of those pipe dreams. In fact, one of the Bing Thom ideas, opening the river to viewing by taking out trees and bushes along the banks, has already been accomplished and is being continued along the west bank as well.

[SXSW]

Blair property


Crow Creek apartments


I would like to see high density, urban apartments at the Crow Creek site which interact with the creek and include a portion of the hike/bike trail proposed between the river and Zink Park.  For the Blair site single family residential is more appropriate, IMO, but could be built more densely and connected to the surrounding neighborhoods better.  These will be great projects and it will be interesting to see the actual proposals.