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Al Qaeda Suspect cleared of all but 1 Count

Started by guido911, November 17, 2010, 05:41:56 PM

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guido911

Job Freakin well done Obama DOJ. Civilian trials for these pieces of sh!t was genius.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/11/17/gitmo-detainee-ahmed-ghailani-guilty-terrorism-charges/

Kill hundreds of people...not guilty
Take a kid through security at an airport...get sexually assaulted.

Edited:  Here are our geniuses saying they are "pleased" with the outcome:

QuoteDOJ says it's "pleased" Ahmed Ghailani facing min. of 20 years in prison + potential life sentence" for role in the embassy bombings
http://twitter.com/jaketapper/statuses/5042587828232192

This REALLY pisses me off. 12 Americans were killed in those terrorist bombings.

Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

Hoss

Quote from: guido911 on November 17, 2010, 05:41:56 PM
Job Freakin well done Obama DOJ. Civilian trials for these pieces of sh!t was genius.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/11/17/gitmo-detainee-ahmed-ghailani-guilty-terrorism-charges/

Kill hundreds of people...not guilty
Take a kid through security at an airport...get sexually assaulted.

Edited:  Here are our geniuses saying they are "pleased" with the outcome:
http://twitter.com/jaketapper/statuses/5042587828232192

This REALLY pisses me off. 12 Americans were killed in those terrorist bombings.



After becoming informed of what happened with this, it's being suggested that a military tribunal would also have thrown out the evidence that excluded the remainder of the counts.

Would you have been as pissed off then, oh Tony?  Well, would you?

Continue with the hand-wringing.

heironymouspasparagus

Gee...maybe next time there is a Bush in the White House, torture and rendition and contaminating evidence won't happen and they can get 12 people to agree on something.  Would really love to read the transcript of that trial.  I bet what the government had to work with was typical of Bush injustice department.

We should never elect another Bush if for no other reason than to increase the chances of a legitimate government conviction without all the contamination!

Having said all that, you gotta wonder why he was taken prisoner in the first place?  Somewhere along the line, someone very likely had him legitimately in the sights of an M-16 and said, "Naw...we'll take him along to torture, then try him in an American court..."  Why not just pull the trigger?


"So he brandished a gun, never shot anyone or anything right?"  --TeeDub, 17 Feb 2018.

I don't share my thoughts because I think it will change the minds of people who think differently.  I share my thoughts to show the people who already think like me that they are not alone.

Breadburner

20 minimum to life.....Maybe they will get him in prison.....
 

Gaspar

Quote from: Breadburner on November 19, 2010, 07:46:39 AM
20 minimum to life.....Maybe they will get him in prison.....

Nah!  He'll probably show up on The View to share his tragic experiences, and tell the story of his mistreatment at the hands of the evil Americans.  Then Whoopie and Joy Bayhar will lean in, and they will all scream "Death to America" and engage in a group hug.

Next stop The Daily Show, and the MSNBC circus.
When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

nathanm

Guido, it's all about what you can prove in court. At least they got him on one count. I don't want to live in a country where we decide it's OK to toss some people in jail without trial or with a lessened standard of evidence. Next thing you know, they could be using that lower standard for other crimes.
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

guido911

Quote from: nathanm on November 19, 2010, 08:32:45 AM
Guido, it's all about what you can prove in court. At least they got him on one count. I don't want to live in a country where we decide it's OK to toss some people in jail without trial or with a lessened standard of evidence. Next thing you know, they could be using that lower standard for other crimes.
So this terrorist is now in the "some people" category. Good to know.
Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

nathanm

Quote from: guido911 on November 19, 2010, 08:38:50 AM
So this terrorist is now in the "some people" category. Good to know.
You're assuming that it will stop there. That next we won't decide that suspected murderers deserve the same treatment. That after that, we won't decide that suspected child molesters deserve the same treatment, and so on down the line. I don't have the faith necessary to believe that in time, the standard of evidence will not be lowered for all crime.
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

Hoss

Quote from: nathanm on November 19, 2010, 08:42:03 AM
You're assuming that it will stop there. That next we won't decide that suspected murderers deserve the same treatment. That after that, we won't decide that suspected child molesters deserve the same treatment, and so on down the line. I don't have the faith necessary to believe that in time, the standard of evidence will not be lowered for all crime.

What's that called?

Oh yeah...a police state.

I remember this quote:

"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety"..

Benjamin Franklin.

Hey, wasn't he one of those 'founder' guys?

:o

guido911

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Quote from: nathanm on November 19, 2010, 08:42:03 AM
You're assuming that it will stop there. That next we won't decide that suspected murderers deserve the same treatment. That after that, we won't decide that suspected child molesters deserve the same treatment, and so on down the line. I don't have the faith necessary to believe that in time, the standard of evidence will not be lowered for all crime.

I just love how folks with ZERO, much less formal, legal training and experience lecture me on what the law is. Seriously, people (I call them "Cliff Clavins") read a news article or listen to some talking head and suddenly they are authorities on the subject. It's like "Guido, Jeffrey Toobin said this or that about the verdict so it must be true". It's so damned hilarious.
Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

Townsend

Quote from: guido911 on November 19, 2010, 09:22:19 AM
I just love how folks with ZERO, much less formal, legal training and experience lecture me on what the law is. Seriously, people (I call them "Cliff Clavins") read a news article or listen to some talking head and suddenly they are authorities on the subject. It's like "Guido, Jeffrey Toobin said this or that about the verdict so it must be true". It's so damned hilarious.

So that's why you posted this?  So you could act uppity and self-righteous again?

As an officer of the court aren't you supposed to have the most respect for the law?

RecycleMichael

Quote from: guido911 on November 19, 2010, 09:22:19 AM
I just love how folks with ZERO, much less formal, legal training and experience lecture me on what the law is.

Hey! I own both Legally Blonde AND Legally Blonde 2 movies.
Power is nothing till you use it.

Gaspar

Quote from: RecycleMichael on November 19, 2010, 09:31:22 AM
Hey! I own both Legally Blonde AND Legally Blonde 2 movies.

I slept in a Holiday Inn last night.
When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

guido911

Quote from: RecycleMichael on November 19, 2010, 09:31:22 AM
Hey! I own both Legally Blonde AND Legally Blonde 2 movies.

Well then let's have a debate. Now, if you would have watched "The Paper Chase" and/or "My Cousin Vinny", then we could really have a discussion.
Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

Townsend

Quote from: guido911 on November 19, 2010, 09:34:21 AM
Well then let's have a debate. Now, if you would have watched "The Paper Chase" and/or "My Cousin Vinny", then we could really have a discussion.

Both much better movies.

Quotea representation (as of a story) by means of motion pictures : movie
Merriam-Webster