Less horse poop at downtown parade

[BKDotCom]

Even the turn lanes at the traffic light within Tulsa Hills suck.
Specifically, the East/West lanes.   If you want to cross Olympia, it would appear you need to be in the left lane (as it's the lane that's aligned with the other side).    WRONG, the left lane is left-turn only.   It's the right lane you need to be in (even though it's askew with the other side).
The last time I was at Tulsa Hills and wanting to make a left turn, I was suck behind with someone that was trying to go straight.
Hard to be angry at em.  The darn parking-lot/traffic design SUCKS

[BKDotCom]

Issues with one area of Tulsa Hills:

[Red Arrow]

Issues with one area of Tulsa Hills:

Thanks for the heads-up on the "new cement no-cross barrier".  I didn't know about that obstacle.  I don't think I've been in that Target.  Probably won't now, especially since the one at 101st and Memorial is a lot closer and I am more likely to want something house oriented that airplane/hangar oriented.

[rdj]

If you follow the lines, rather than just drive wherever in tarnation you want to it drives you right thru two rows of parking and then to the in between point of the Target/smaller retail.  What's wrong with that?  If they had poured a curb there to enforce would that have made you feel better?

[BKDotCom]

If you follow the lines, rather than just drive wherever in tarnation you want to it drives you right thru two rows of parking and then to the in between point of the Target/smaller retail.  What's wrong with that?  If they had poured a curb there to enforce would that have made you feel better?

So.. there's zero point to that entrance/exit.. just stay on the main/secondary drive and enter the lot from the east.
Because funnelling traffic to two rows of parking makes a whole lot of sense.
Unless they meant to stripe/curb the rest of the lot such that that entrance would would accommodate cross traffic.
And yes.. enforcing people not to drive willy nilly would make me feel better.   It's not me I'm worried about.. it's everybody else!   

[Red Arrow]

If you follow the lines, rather than just drive wherever in tarnation you want to it drives you right thru two rows of parking and then to the in between point of the Target/smaller retail.  What's wrong with that?  If they had poured a curb there to enforce would that have made you feel better?

That whole parking design reminds me of my first trip going east after we moved to Oklahoma from Pennsylvania.  I was going back to finish my last year at college.  I was following the Interstates south around St Louis, MO to avoid going through St Louis where I-44 is now but was just surface streets then.  I saw a sign with an arrow that said "To Illinois".  I followed it across the Mississippi River where it unceremoniously dumped me on a 2 lane road (one lane in each direction) somewhere south of East St Louis.  

[dbacks fan]

Desert Ridge Marketplace was one of the better ones when I lived in Phoenix. Also, San Tan Village in Gilbert is another for a good walkable layout.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=desert+ridge+marketplace&hl=en&ll=33.676586,-111.973021&spn=0.006964,0.019183&gl=us&view=map&mcsrc=google_reviews&num=10&start=0&cid=685156499396409051&t=h&z=16&vpsrc=6

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=San+Tan+Village+Parkway+%26+Williams+Field+Road+Gilbert,+AZ&hl=en&ll=33.309424,-111.742458&spn=0.007424,0.019183&sll=33.310159,-111.742973&sspn=0.007424,0.019183&vpsrc=6&hq=San+Tan+Village+Parkway+%26+Williams+Field+Road+Gilbert,+AZ&radius=15000&t=h&z=16

[bacjz00]

All ya'all need to get a clue. 

Tulsa Hills is designed to keep traffic moving on 71st and on Olympia. PERIOD.  Those are the main feeders and provide easy access INTO the parking lots.  For those of you complaining about parking lot design....geesh...don't be in such a god d@mn hurry and plan ahead a little bit.  For those of you complaining about "traffic", please move away from the city.  Yes it takes a while to turn left from Best Buy, but if you don't like it, move your 300 pound body and your 10,000 pound SUV down to the STOP LIGHT near the Smashburger.  THAT'S WHAT IT"S THERE FOR, IT"S CALLED TRAFFIC CONTROL.  The lobby of "I wanna drive my car anywhere I want" is what got us into the mess on 71st.  Too many store parking lots with direct access to an 8 lane crosstown street.

This is the classic complainers thread, lol.  I would bet the majority of folks posting here voted down Vision 2025 and haven't been to a show at the BOK yet.  Which is probably saying something considering how progressive TN posters are in general.

[custosnox]

All ya'all need to get a clue. 

Tulsa Hills is designed to keep traffic moving on 71st and on Olympia. PERIOD.  Those are the main feeders and provide easy access INTO the parking lots.  For those of you complaining about parking lot design....geesh...don't be in such a god d@mn hurry and plan ahead a little bit.  For those of you complaining about "traffic", please move away from the city.  Yes it takes a while to turn left from Best Buy, but if you don't like it, move your 300 pound body and your 10,000 pound SUV down to the STOP LIGHT near the Smashburger.  THAT'S WHAT IT"S THERE FOR, IT"S CALLED TRAFFIC CONTROL.  The lobby of "I wanna drive my car anywhere I want" is what got us into the mess on 71st.  Too many store parking lots with direct access to an 8 lane crosstown street.

This is the classic complainers thread, lol.  I would bet the majority of folks posting here voted down Vision 2025 and haven't been to a show at the BOK yet.  Which is probably saying something considering how progressive TN posters are in general.

the design may have been intended to keep traffic moving, but it was poorly implemented.  Nice though, that if you disagree your response is come in start trying to insult those you disagree with and toss out accusations.

[Red Arrow]

All ya'all need to get a clue. 

Tulsa Hills is designed to keep traffic moving on 71st and on Olympia. PERIOD.  Those are the main feeders and provide easy access INTO the parking lots.  For those of you complaining about parking lot design....geesh...don't be in such a god d@mn hurry and plan ahead a little bit.  For those of you complaining about "traffic", please move away from the city.  Yes it takes a while to turn left from Best Buy, but if you don't like it, move your 300 pound body and your 10,000 pound SUV down to the STOP LIGHT near the Smashburger.  THAT'S WHAT IT"S THERE FOR, IT"S CALLED TRAFFIC CONTROL.  The lobby of "I wanna drive my car anywhere I want" is what got us into the mess on 71st.  Too many store parking lots with direct access to an 8 lane crosstown street.

You are sounding awfully defensive.  Are you responsible for that mess?

I would bet the majority of folks posting here voted down Vision 2025 and haven't been to a show at the BOK yet. 

I voted for Vision 2025 but still haven't been to any events at the BOK.  I voted for it because I thought it would be good for the metro area,  not because I thought I would use it much.

[Townsend]

All ya'all need to get a clue. 

Tulsa Hills is designed to keep traffic moving on 71st and on Olympia. PERIOD.  Those are the main feeders and provide easy access INTO the parking lots.  For those of you complaining about parking lot design....geesh...don't be in such a god d@mn hurry and plan ahead a little bit.  For those of you complaining about "traffic", please move away from the city.  Yes it takes a while to turn left from Best Buy, but if you don't like it, move your 300 pound body and your 10,000 pound SUV down to the STOP LIGHT near the Smashburger.  THAT'S WHAT IT"S THERE FOR, IT"S CALLED TRAFFIC CONTROL.  The lobby of "I wanna drive my car anywhere I want" is what got us into the mess on 71st.  Too many store parking lots with direct access to an 8 lane crosstown street.

This is the classic complainers thread, lol.  I would bet the majority of folks posting here voted down Vision 2025 and haven't been to a show at the BOK yet.  Which is probably saying something considering how progressive TN posters are in general.

It's more a thread about non-inclusive dumbasses actually.

I think you're making things up in your head.  Don't design parking lots so you're forced to drive toward pedestrians.  As I'm walking from store to store I don't want your mom coming after me in her Lincoln.

Voted for V2025.  Now if you want to continue with insults, go hang with your family.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Which is probably saying something considering how progressive TN posters are in general.

I agreed with most of what you wrote in that post, but this little snippet...??

What???

Where did you ever get that idea?

[joiei]

It looks like Inhofe is passing on both parades,  what an old grump.

http://thislandpress.com/roundups/inhofe-declines-parade-invitation/

Last year, U.S. Senator James Inhofe put Tulsa in the national spotlight when he declined to attend the Tulsa Holiday Parade of Lights, a parade that's been a tradition in Tulsa for over 80 years. He wouldn't participate in a parade that didn't have the word "Christmas" in the name.
In the November 15, 2011 issue of This Land, publisher Vincent LoVoi invited Inhofe to rejoin the parade.
"We invite you to come home and be part of the parade we share with all Tulsans," LoVoi wrote. "It's important to our community. We want to address your concerns in ways that are both inclusive and respectful of faith; we want to help Downtown continue to grow; and we want to preserve a wonderful Tulsa tradition."
A competing parade, the Tulsa Christmas Parade, apparently didn't satisfy Inhofe either. Being presented with the choice to join either parade, Inhofe ultimately decided he would not attend either parade.
"It's just it is not a Christmas parade, and so I won't be riding in it for the same reason as last year," he told the local daily paper, Tulsa World, causing varying reactions from its readers, some of whom left comments critical of the Senator.
"Perfect!!! Having failed in marginalizing others, Inhofe has succeeded in marginalizing himself," wrote the user Mindman, whose comment received the most thumbs-up.
"I have the utmost respect for Jim's," offered user dontliveinfear, in the only supportive comment thus far.
In the December 1 issue of This Land, associate editor Natasha Ball will offer a feature-length article detailing the history of the downtown parade, which will include an anecdote about Inhofe's reactions to the parade when he served as Tulsa's mayor.
While the Senator has chosen not to participate in the parade, many local businesses and organizations have stepped forward to sponsor the parade. For the first time in the parade's history, Tulsa's Jewish and Muslim communities will participate in the parade together.

[Teatownclown]

Well, now that Jimmy sez no to both events, there'll be less of a smell....maybe some smell at Tulsey Hills if there's a stiff North wind.

[heironymouspasparagus]

There was a design to that Tulsa Hills shopping area?  When did that happen?


As for Inhofe, well good - that will make both events much better!