Less horse poop at downtown parade

[Townsend]

It's a nightmare to park and get in and out of that shopping center as it is. Should be a real fun time with floats and all the other Holi.....err Christmas traffic.

There's something.  "Go to the real Holiday Parade in downtown Tulsa.  Don't fight the traffic and parking in South Tulsa."

[Red Arrow]

It's a nightmare to park and get in and out of that shopping center as it is. Should be a real fun time with floats and all the other Holi.....err Christmas traffic.

I am convinced that the parking lots were designed to discourage the use of automobiles.  Too bad that's the only way to get there.

[Red Arrow]

"Go to the real Holiday Parade in downtown Tulsa."

I think that's the point they are trying to make, they want a Christmas Parade.  If another group want to help them celebrate Christmas, that's OK too.  As long as they are privately funded, I don't really care too much one way or the other.

[Townsend]

I am convinced that the parking lots were designed to discourage the use of automobiles.  Too bad that's the only way to get there.

I've noticed the curb design drives you toward the pedestrians.  You can't leave some areas without driving over the cross walks by the shops.

So in other words David Arnett is trying to kill people by putting on this non-inclusive gag show.  What a putz.

[Red Arrow]

You can't leave some areas without driving over the cross walks by the shops.

That's one of the things about the parking that makes me hate to go there.  I would much rather stay away from lane next to the front doors of the stores.  I prefer to park farther out and walk in without going past the front door of the store in my car.

[Teatownclown]

I've noticed the curb design drives you toward the pedestrians.  You can't leave some areas without driving over the cross walks by the shops.

So in other words David Arnett is trying to kill people by putting on this non-inclusive gag show.  What a putz.

+1

let the children have a variety of holiday cheer....

It's ironic to have a Christmas parade in a shopping center....isn't that the main idea? toys and gifts?

[sgrizzle]

It's a nightmare to park and get in and out of that shopping center as it is. Should be a real fun time with floats and all the other Holi.....err Christmas traffic.

I'm dying to know what you are using as a comparison that you consider this shopping center, the only one in town with access roads, multiple lanes, and limited traffic interruption caused by non-lighted intersections.

[Conan71]

I'm dying to know what you are using as a comparison that you consider this shopping center, the only one in town with access roads, multiple lanes, and limited traffic interruption caused by non-lighted intersections.

It's actually somewhat of a disjointed cluster.  I've had a few near misses coming and going from various places in there.

[DolfanBob]

I'm dying to know what you are using as a comparison that you consider this shopping center, the only one in town with access roads, multiple lanes, and limited traffic interruption caused by non-lighted intersections.

All I'm saying is. If you like that parking lot design. You must be a bumper car champion.

[Hoss]

All I'm saying is. If you like that parking lot design. You must be a bumper car champion.

+1.  That blind curve that moves south down Olympia forces me to run the parking lot if I'm at Best Buy south to the road that runs e/w so I can get a controlled turn out.  Trying to turn north out of the first entrance that takes you into Best Buy is taking your life into your own hands.  Sometimes I'll make a right turn south to 81st and get on 75 there.

I still like it better than 71st Street, but 71st rapidly improved when they switched to sequenced lights.

[Red Arrow]

I'm dying to know what you are using as a comparison that you consider this shopping center, the only one in town with access roads, multiple lanes, and limited traffic interruption caused by non-lighted intersections.

Tulsa Hills Traffic and parking:

The exit from parking at the south side of Lowes does not allow a turn to the south but appears from the parking lot to be a major exit.  If used as an entrance, you are forced to the store front.  Same for the exit at the south side of Target.  I have seen drivers try to turn south by going against traffic in the southbound left turn lane and then making a U-turn.  Not safe.

The only entrance/exit by Best Buy forces traffic to the store front where pedestrians and drivers who can't make up their mind congregate.

Westbound from the traffic light the mid way entrances to the parking lots north and south only allow passage for a couple of rows of parking before being forced to cross rows (creating collision possibilities) or go to the store fronts.

If this was an attempt to create an urban shopping experience, it has failed.  It also is not automobile friendly when that is the only way to get there.  I do not want to drive slowly by the store fronts looking in the windows that aren't there deal with dopey pedestrians and drivers waiting to get the first parking spot in the row.  Give me the opportunity to enter the parking lot, find a space not too close so my car doors don't get beat up, and walk to the stores I want to shop at.  About twice a year I will walk up and down the sidewalk at the store front trying to figure out what to buy my mom for Christmas.  There are usually no stores that interest me but by then I am desperate.

I believe you will have a difficult time trying to turn a suburban shopping center into this: http://g.co/maps/29gkp

[heironymouspasparagus]

We have gone to Tulsa Hills a few times for the novelty of it.  The last was on Saturday, when we went around it to get to Jones airport to look at the B-17.  The place is a mess to try to get around in.  Serious shopping - ain't gonna be there!  Too many easier places to go.

[rdj]

Sounds like a driver issue.

[Red Arrow]

Sounds like a driver issue.

Regardless, it creates an unsatisfactory shopping experience.

[Red Arrow]

We have gone to Tulsa Hills a few times for the novelty of it.  The last was on Saturday, when we went around it to get to Jones airport to look at the B-17.  The place is a mess to try to get around in.  Serious shopping - ain't gonna be there!  Too many easier places to go.

Most of us over here still refer to it as Riverside, or if pushed, Jones Riverside.  Just to add to the confusion, the airport at Bristow (just down the turnpike a bit)  is called Jones Memorial Airport.