The party of no-

[heironymouspasparagus]

That's the stupid of it - it actually is NOT your money.  Every one of us has "enjoyed" the benefit from 30 years of out of control deficit spending, leaving it to out kids and grandkids to deal with the disgusting mess.  From our imperialist voyeurism (8+ major military bases remaining in Okinawa alone, 30% of the land) to out of control "welfare state" - and that is corporate America welfare at least as much if not more so than "personal" welfare.  (No?  Then why did we subsidize big oil for 50 years+.  Why do we still subsidize large corporate-farm-America still?  Why do we subsidize nuclear power but not solar and wind?)

YOUR money disappeared when the deficit became what it is.  And yes, we are demanding and depending on the rest of the world to support our crap by propping up the dollar.  Econ 101.

But then I would never expect anyone to understand even those basics who thinks "its their damn money". No, it isn't.

[guido911]

That's the stupid of it - it actually is NOT your money.  Every one of us has "enjoyed" the benefit from 30 years of out of control deficit spending, leaving it to out kids and grandkids to deal with the disgusting mess.  From our imperialist voyeurism to out of control "welfare state" - and that is corporate America welfare at least as much if not more so than "personal" welfare.  (No?  Then why did we subsidize big oil for 50 years+.  Why do we still subsidize large corporate-farm-America still?  Why do we subsidize nuclear power but not solar and wind?)

YOUR money disappeared when the deficit became what it is.  And yes, we are demanding and depending on the rest of the world to support our crap by propping up the dollar.  Econ 101.

But then I would never expect anyone to understand even those basics who thinks "its their damn money".  No, it isn't.

Just what I expected to hear from the likes of you. And by the way, if everyone enjoyed the fruits of run away spending, then everyone should pay the exact same amount. Right? I will be looking forward to you shelling out six figures in federal income next April like many of those earning more than 250K.

Edited: I guess you believe like Nate that I am getting a handout from the government if my taxes do not go up. I say that because that is why I said it's my money. And it is MY MONEY. The fact that our government gives away money to the less fortunate in the form of extended unemployment benefits, welfare, medicare, and whatever freakin else entitlement program is out there-overwhelmingly paid for by those evil rich people-does not change the fact that I earned my money.

[heironymouspasparagus]

And yet, you have no rational argument to advance to the "like of me".  Just "it's my damn money"?  That's it??

Yeah, the poor should have to pay the same 100,000 that the rich should pay.  That sounds like equal protection under the law to me.  Oh, wait, that's almost how it is done today!  Even better - the rich get to skate with their massive 16 or 17% tax load while the poor working slob taking home a W-2 gets to pay 40%.


"The law in its infinite wisdom prohibits the rich man as well as the poor from sleeping under a bridge."

[heironymouspasparagus]

So, given the overall tone, it would seem that you would be one of those millionaires who gets to skate by at the 17%.  Nice.  I hope to be there with you soon.

[guido911]

And yet, you have no rational argument to advance to the "like of me".  Just "it's my damn money"?  That's it??

Yeah, the poor should have to pay the same 100,000 that the rich should pay.  That sounds like equal protection under the law to me.  Oh, wait, that's almost how it is done today!  Even better - the rich get to skate with their massive 16 or 17% tax load while the poor working slob taking home a W-2 gets to pay 40%.


"The law in its infinite wisdom prohibits the rich man as well as the poor from sleeping under a bridge."

Well, you asked for it. The source of hieron's views found:



Incidentally, how in the hell does "equal protection" fit in this discussion.
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[heironymouspasparagus]

How does a picture of a magnificent hookah fit in?
Or talk about handouts?  Or "its my damned money", when its not.  Or saying that it isn't the governments money - when that IS the entity that has been chosen to handle the topics covered by the tax/money discussion - since about what, late 1700's sometime?  Or "more dumb liberal speak"?

Nice pipe, though!

Equal protection?  I sense that something at least casually related might be the only thing keeping the richest of the rich from getting there taxes cut to 5% while keeping the rest of us at 40%.  Surely you have heard the chant - "cut taxes"?  Fallin was chanting it just a few weeks ago!  Palin has been blathering about it for two years. 

Looking forward to joining the exalted ranks of the privileged rich,
H

[heironymouspasparagus]

And it's H e i r o n.  And if you were trying to make a weak allusion to the drug it would be H e r o i n.

Mox nix to me.  Either way is fine.  (And for the purists, ok, ok, it is really spelled macht nichts.)

[guido911]

And it's H e i r o n.  And if you were trying to make a weak allusion to the drug it would be H e r o i n.

Mox nix to me.  Either way is fine.  (And for the purists, ok, ok, it is really spelled macht nichts.)

I was not making a heroin comparison. Your id in this forum is too damned long (waiting for BB to chime in  )

[heironymouspasparagus]

Just hashish, or crack then for the hookah?  Or maybe just a little plain old fashioned Mary Jane?

I really DO like that water pipe!!  That is too cool!  Would like to have that for a little old fashioned Borkum Riff!!  (The tobacco, not the lighthouse!)  Gotta love a little whiskey with your nicotine!!  Take me back to my '60s childhood!!

[guido911]

Just hashish, or crack then for the hookah?  Or maybe just a little plain old fashioned Mary Jane?

I really DO like that water pipe!!  That is too cool!  Would like to have that for a little old fashioned Borkum Riff!!  (The tobacco, not the lighthouse!)  Gotta love a little whiskey with your nicotine!!  Take me back to my '60s childhood!!

You are WAY WAY over enjoying that hookah. I am a little frightened.

[nathanm]

One heck of a stupid retort. What's the matter with you today.

It's only stupid if you think about government funding in a completely superficial manner. Your tax cuts are a transfer of wealth from the government's balance sheet (and ultimately from nations holding our dollars) to your own.

Personally, I think the deficit is pretty much irrelevant at present, but that's not the worldview to which you subscribe, so I'm working within (what I understand to be) your framework. I think keeping the second tax cut for folks in the top bracket doesn't really matter one way or the other to the strength of our economy. Higher income people are not, by and large, spending as high a proportion of their income. I think keeping the middle class tax cut and possibly even cutting the bottom few tax brackets further would improve our economic outlook, because they already spend every dime they get their hands on.

There's a better ROI on middle income tax cuts right now. And before you start calling that unfair, remember that everyone gets a tax cut when that happens. A 5% cut on the first three brackets would reduce your tax burden $6800 a year. (Assuming that you and your spouse make at least $137,050 combined and file jointly)

[heironymouspasparagus]

Yes!  Overenjoying the hookah.

[guido911]

It's only stupid if you think about government funding in a completely superficial manner. Your tax cuts are a transfer of wealth from the government's balance sheet (and ultimately from nations holding our dollars) to your own.

Personally, I think the deficit is pretty much irrelevant at present, but that's not the worldview to which you subscribe, so I'm working within (what I understand to be) your framework. I think keeping the second tax cut for folks in the top bracket doesn't really matter one way or the other to the strength of our economy. Higher income people are not, by and large, spending as high a proportion of their income. I think keeping the middle class tax cut and possibly even cutting the bottom few tax brackets further would improve our economic outlook, because they already spend every dime they get their hands on.

There's a better ROI on middle income tax cuts right now. And before you start calling that unfair, remember that everyone gets a tax cut when that happens. A 5% cut on the first three brackets would reduce your tax burden $6800 a year. (Assuming that you and your spouse make at least $137,050 combined and file jointly)

What are you saying, the government already has factored in my income tax before I have even earned my income? Boy they will really be pissed if I decide to work less in order to show less income and therefore less income to tax. BTW, I tried that a year ago when I left the firm practice. My phone just kept on ringing and my competitive nature kicked in.

[Red Arrow]

That's the stupid of it - it actually is NOT your money.  

I suppose we could expand that a bit.  Since it's NOT your money, you don't own anything since you bought it with someone else's (the government's) money.  All that stuff about due process etc can be forgotten since it's not your stuff to begin with.  House, car, clothes on your body....all belongs to the government.

[guido911]

I suppose we could expand that a bit.  Since it's NOT your money, you don't own anything since you bought it with someone else's (the government's) money.  All that stuff about due process etc can be forgotten since it's not your stuff to begin with.  House, car, clothes on your body....all belongs to the government.

I am sickened by how well reasoned you can be sometimes.