It's unanimous -- time for a third party

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It sells more ads to show people carrying guns at Tea Party rallies or libs staging peace rallies.

Or even noting that one get together at Washington DC left more or less litter than the other get together.

[Hoss]

Or even noting that one get together at Washington DC left more or less litter than the other get together.

But tell me, does it help your cause to have a known member of the Tea Party rambling about '2nd amendment remedies' if the election doesn't go their way?  You have to admit that's some serious rhetoric right there.

[Conan71]

But tell me, does it help your cause to have a known member of the Tea Party rambling about '2nd amendment remedies' if the election doesn't go their way?  You have to admit that's some serious rhetoric right there.

But why does the media get stuck on issues like that and blow it up as big as it can?  They resort to a Jerry Springer formula to report on politics, especially the commentary shows.  Far too many of the people who watch those shows understand it's all editorialized fact, innuendo, and some stuff made up for emphasis.

I'd be a whole lot more inspired by reporting of areas where Dems and Pugs have had great bipartisan unity, or reporting that the majority of Americans, who happen to consider themselves "moderate" would like to see a compromise instead of it being the far right wants something and the left is blocking it or vice versa.

[nathanm]

I'd be a whole lot more inspired by reporting of areas where Dems and Pugs have had great bipartisan unity, or reporting that the majority of Americans, who happen to consider themselves "moderate" would like to see a compromise instead of it being the far right wants something and the left is blocking it or vice versa.

I agree that it would be nice if the media would report from the middle, but that doesn't get ratings, so it's not as financially rewarding. It's a failure of the market, but I don't really know how to fix it. There's always the News Hour or BBC, but PBS is subject to political pressure and the news show on BBC America doesn't have the best coverage of US issues.

Al Gore screwed us when he bought News World International and turned it into current. There were enough news broadcasts from around the world that it was possible to get a sense of what's really going on without having to scour the Internet. Stuff from the CBC, BBC, DWTV, some channel in Australia, and a Japanese newscast were on every single day.

Every once in a blue moon Dateline or 60 Minutes will do some serious investigative reporting that reminds me of quality journalism, but it's far too rare for my taste.

[guido911]

Here's another rabid tea partier calling for violence:

[waterboy]

Political talk is hard work Red. Thanks for reading my post and responding with passion even though I can't do the same. Go back to the chaise, pop the top and turn on ESPN. And know that I envy you.

Seriously, I see, and talk to so many people during the day in a retail environment. It stuns me how many people blurt out their (conservative) politics to me without invitation to do so. Usually anti Obama, anti labor, anti health insurance in nature. I can't remember anyone doing so during the Bush administration while I worked here though I know the net was humming and i do remember those cool stencils of W with the words, "Bush Lies". Duh. Politicians lie. Check Wikileaks. I think we're just all in different worlds.

Speaking of, Conan comes in occasionally. We're cordial, we're businesslike and I know we are tons apart in most of our political views but that we still each have moderate views we share. That should be the norm. Truthfully, I don't see a third party, a fourth party or multi parties with coalitions doing any good. We're talking human nature here. Put your faith in politics, government and your fellow man and you'll always be disappointed.

[Gaspar]

Here's another rabid tea partier calling for violence:

Thank God they're not armed!

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Seriously, I see, and talk to so many people during the day in a retail environment. It stuns me how many people blurt out their (conservative) politics to me without invitation to do so. Usually anti Obama, anti labor, anti health insurance in nature. I can't remember anyone doing so during the Bush administration while I worked here though I know the net was humming and i do remember those cool stencils of W with the words, "Bush Lies". Duh. Politicians lie. Check Wikileaks. I think we're just all in different worlds.

I expect you would have heard more uninvited anti-Bush stuff if you lived in a state as blue as OK is red.

One of my cousins lived in Boston in the electronic bubble of the 80s. She asked why I didn't consider moving there.  I told her I didn't think I could live with MA politics.  That and the cost of housing/living there was already too high for my (could be expected) salary and what I wanted for a life. 

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Go back to the chaise, pop the top and turn on ESPN. And know that I envy you.

I didn't have anyplace I wanted to go this year so I have some vacation to use or lose.

Maybe I'll go sit in my rocking chair I've had since my college days and watch FOX.     It's a little too early for a cool one yet.  I do have a big Jamoke waiting in the refrigerator.  I drank the El CuCuy last weekend, along with a 6 pack of Sundowner Wheat.  All good stuff.  (I don't think there was a reference to Marshall's in this thread yet.)

[Hoss]

But why does the media get stuck on issues like that and blow it up as big as it can?  They resort to a Jerry Springer formula to report on politics, especially the commentary shows.  Far too many of the people who watch those shows understand it's all editorialized fact, innuendo, and some stuff made up for emphasis.

I'd be a whole lot more inspired by reporting of areas where Dems and Pugs have had great bipartisan unity, or reporting that the majority of Americans, who happen to consider themselves "moderate" would like to see a compromise instead of it being the far right wants something and the left is blocking it or vice versa.

Because they can?  You still didn't answer my question.  Rhetoric?  Yes or no?

Admittedly, I could really care less, because it sounds a lot more like political grandstanding.  That and this is the candidate (Sharron Angle) who did her level best to run from foot reporters asking her questions.  But it still bears asking the question.  You can't just brush off a backhanded threat to use a '2nd amendment remedy'.

I'd love to see the bipartisan unity also.  It should have started in the first half of his presidency.  The problem is that the Republicans wanted none of it, until they had at least one element in their favor (the House).  Remember some of the statements from Republicans about 'breaking' Obama and that healthcare would be 'his Waterloo'.  That's just some serious partisan stuff going on right there.

But hey, that's just my flatulen....err....opinion.

[Conan71]

Because they can?  You still didn't answer my question.  Rhetoric?  Yes or no?

Admittedly, I could really care less, because it sounds a lot more like political grandstanding.  That and this is the candidate (Sharron Angle) who did her level best to run from foot reporters asking her questions.  But it still bears asking the question.  You can't just brush off a backhanded threat to use a '2nd amendment remedy'.

I'd love to see the bipartisan unity also.  It should have started in the first half of his presidency.  The problem is that the Republicans wanted none of it, until they had at least one element in their favor (the House).  Remember some of the statements from Republicans about 'breaking' Obama and that healthcare would be 'his Waterloo'.  That's just some serious partisan stuff going on right there.

But hey, that's just my flatulen....err....opinion.

I don't really know Ms. Angle's background and can only assume she wasn't quite used to the idea yet that when she makes off the cuff remarks like that while running for one of the more visible seats in the last election that it's not the same as making that comment amongst family and friends or down at the bar.  The cameras and tape are always rolling.

I didn't realize I was supposed to answer a question though.  My ADD is acting up today.  I think Angle's comments were blown out of proportion, taken out of context, and blown up simply because it was a two or three day sound bite that got ratings for MSNBC and even Faux for taking time to deflect and analyze it.  Like I said, our media establishment has finally resorted to politics for entertainment, and therefore learned that Jerry Springer antics is great for revenue.

Consider that when you and I were in high school political reporting was on 2,6,8 on the evening news, Headline News, and the main CNN channels.  They didn't have lengthy commentary programs other than Meet The Press and that was pretty balanced when looking at issues.  Now you can gorge on partisan politics via Faux or MSNBC 24/7 while reading all about it via the internet.  There are people growing up in this political environment who believe O'Really or Madcow to be un-biased in their coverage.

Then you get the people with not much of a filter, who scan a headline, or hear half a conversation, and let their imagination run wild.  One of my old classmates had a FB post this morning chastising the Tulsa "town council" for taking the word "Christmas" out of the parade title.  Totally uninformed and I'm sure she's influenced others in thinking that's how it went down.  

Olberdoosh, Matthews, Madcow, etc. can all hate in Limpbaugh all they like.  If not for him, none of these other talking heads would have gained so much in popularity.  Political voyuerism has been a major commercial hit.

[guido911]

Conservative dems claiming liberal dems holding tax cuts hostage.

Rep. Dan Boren (Okla.), among the most conservative Democrats on Capitol Hill, said he's "extremely displeased" that the White House-GOP deal might not come to the floor as it stands.

"A clear majority of the U.S. House of Representatives supports this plan," Boren said in a statement. "We are allowing the liberal wing of the Democratic caucus to hold these critically needed tax cuts hostage."

Democratic leaders, he added, "are either not listening to what the voters are saying, or they are not interested in doing what is best for the American economy."

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/132947-moderate-conservative-dems-up-in-arms-over-liberals-tax-deal-backlash

Looks like ol' Obama's taunts are coming back to haunt him--from members of his own party.