The Arizona Massacre

[dbacks fan]

I have been thinking about the events of the day here in AZ, and having watched the news from both sides, I think the best comments came form Sheriff Clarence Dupnik, "Vitriol might be free speech, but it's not without consequences." and I agree with his laying the blame at members of the talk radio and talk tv as fueling the levels of anger and that it may cause a person with mental issues to take action. I also have to agree with his comment about Arizona becoming the "Mecca of bigotry in this country" it has been brewing here for the last three to four years.



There is enough blame for what hapened today on the left the right and the center of politics. And I have to say that I am saddened by the events, but I am not suprised. Today could have happened anywhere in the US, it just happened to have occured here.



Thank you, just my $.02

[Breadburner]

Pretty crass statement, even for you...considering what happened.  Not surprising though.

Just trying to fit in with the direction of your incompetent post above......

[Hoss]

Just trying to fit in with the direction of your incompetent post above......

Yeah, but I notice no one is arguing the fact.  Including you.  Other than to note about 'circle jerks'.

Palin DID post the map and had the crosshairs.  Now, regardless of whether or not the intent was there, it was a pretty stupid thing to do.

Oh, unless you're a rabid Palin supporter.

[dbacks fan]

Palin also made this lovely one:



and of course the infamous crosshairs:

[Hoss]

Palin also made this lovely one:

http://i.imgur.com/mGMts.png

and of course the infamous crosshairs:

Yep, that's what I'm referring to.  Someone over on the Whirled page commented that someone had taken the photo down today.  I'm wondering why it took from last March until now to take it down?  I guess Palin is a little REactive as opposed to PROactive.

This is exactly the kind of vitriol (along with Jesse Kelley, Gifford's Republican opponent in the last election, who hosted a shooting event with the following invitation:"Get on Target for Victory" — "Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office" by shooting a "fully automatic M16 with Jesse Kelly") that causes crap like this.

[dbacks fan]

Let's also not forget those loving words of inspiration from Uncle Glenn;

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/12/01/tally-grows-of-viewers-moved-to-violence-by-becks-rants/

[dbacks fan]

I think I found a link from my previous post to the youtube ramblings of today.

"Rich, like myself, loved Glenn Beck," Eddie Perkovic, Poplawski's best friend told reporter Will Bunch of Media Matters, among others. Prior to the shooting, Poplawski reportedly was "obsessed" with two of Beck's pet theories: that there is an imminent food crisis and that paper money will soon be worthless. Like Kimbley and Williams, Poplawski worried that the government planned to intern dissidents in concentration camps.



And:

Beck proclaimed in January that like the "Israeli Nazi hunters ... I'm going to expose what [progressives] have done and make sure that people understand." In June, he said "anarchists, Marxists, communists, revolutionaries, Maoists" would need to "eliminate 10% of the population" to "gain control." In July, he said that "[t]he army... of the extreme left is gathering" and that it believes that "cops are bad, kill the cops, they're the oppressors." In September, he warned, "Violence will come. And violence will come from the left. Violence is part of the plan."

[eDuece]

   I'll bet there are some Arizona gun shop owners sweating bullets right now hoping this guy didn't purchase the gun and extra clips from them.
Also, you can  bet somewhere someone is combing old Arizona Tea Party rally videos hoping to find this guy waving a placard.

   As an open carry state, could the cops have stopped this guy as he approached the rally while carrying his Glock  or would that have been violating his constitutional rights and the Arizona open carry law (until he opened fire, of course, which then becomes illegal)?

[dbacks fan]

      As an open carry state, could the cops have stopped this guy as he approached the rally while carrying his Glock  or would that have been violating his constitutional rights and the Arizona open carry law (until he opened fire, of course, which then becomes illegal)?

No they could not stop or try to stop him unless he was making an overt or obvious threat.

[waterboy]

Doesn't it seem odd that a guy who was refused admittance by the military, likely for drug charges and mental instability, was able to purchase a gun and receive a permit? Shouldn't there be some sharing of information between the gun permitters and the military and police? Just wondering out loud.

It's ironic that the very things this guy railed about (restraints on freedom of speech, government intrusion into personal freedoms, gun control) are more likely to occur because of his actions.

Sheriff Dupnik was great. Very controlled and able.

[patric]

Doesn't it seem odd that a guy who was refused admittance by the military, likely for drug charges and mental instability, was able to purchase a gun and receive a permit? Shouldn't there be some sharing of information between the gun permitters and the military and police?

"The suspect purchased a firearm legally — and after passing an FBI background check — from Sportsman's Warehouse's Tucson store in November, the company's vice president of hunting operations told FoxNews.com.

Loughner did not present a concealed weapons permit so he was required to pass an FBI background check, which he did "immediately and without incident," said Matt French, speaking from the Sportsman's Warehouse's Utah headquarters."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/01/09/arizona-suspected-gunman-no-stranger-to-trouble/#ixzz1AZS3lqKR

[we vs us]

How many rounds in an extended clip?  20 people were hit (killed or wounded, with at least one bullet apiece); add in the inevitable misses and that amounts to more than one, right?  

[guido911]

Palin also made this lovely one:



and of course the infamous crosshairs:

Notice you did post the bulls eye on Giffords from the freakin DAILY KOS.



And again from Kos.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:egHLC2hTfZoJ:www.dailykos.com/story/2011/1/6/933828/-My-CongressWOMAN-voted-against-Nancy-Pelosi!-And-is-now-DEAD-to-me!+My-CongressWOMAN-voted-against-Nancy-Pelosi+dailykos&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us


Here's a great piece tearing into the "Blame Palin" hypocrisy that was accurately described by breadburner as a circle jerk.

http://patterico.com/2011/01/08/markos-blames-palin-for-giffords-shooting-but-theres-just-one-problem-daily-kos-put-a-bulls-eye-on-giffords-too/
Oh, and I know persons that read Mein Kampf and The Communist Manifesto are all about listening to Palin. PDS over this horrific event is about as stupid as one can get. What dooshbags.

[dbacks fan]

guido, I did not get that from Daily KO's, I got it throuh a friends facebook posting that was a link to the Christian Right Face Book page.

Nice of you to ask where I got it, instead of jumping all over me.

Besides I'm not blaming Palin, theres enough of it to go around for everyone.

[guido911]

guido, I did not get that from Daily KO's, I got it throuh a friends facebook posting that was a link to the Christian Right Face Book page.

Nice of you to ask where I got it, instead of jumping all over me.

Besides I'm not blaming Palin, theres enough of it to go around for everyone.

Why else would you post what you did? And tell us who else is to blame?

Jacobson weighs in:

http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2011/01/two-sicknesses-on-display-in-arizona.html