The Arizona Massacre

[guido911]

guido..there is this thing called context. You should learn about it.

Oh I get it. When Palin did her little cross hairs ad, she meant that Giffords and the others were to be shot. But when Obama and Kos uses violent terms or in KOS's case do the same damned thing Palin did, they didn't actually mean it. The context was different.

[Breadburner]

They are the CjC from here on out...!!!!!!!.....Even looks like a pair of balls with a tiny crooked ding-A-ling........

[guido911]

They are the CjC from here on out...!!!!!!!.....Even looks like a pair of balls with a tiny crooked ding-A-ling........

CjC = Circle Jerk Coalition. You sir are killing today. Oops, I shouldn't have said that. Now people will think I am advocating violence and now I will be responsible for that time of crime.

[nathanm]

Oh I get it. When Palin did her little cross hairs ad, she meant that Giffords and the others were to be shot.

I don't like violent rhetoric no matter who it comes from. "Fight" is not violent rhetoric, but you knew that.

Regardless, I know most of the nationally known nutters aren't calling for violence. The problem is that their deranged listeners don't understand the concept of metaphor.

Edited to add: I don't know why I let myself get sucked in to your attempts at drawing moral equivalence. Just because left-wing lunatics do things that right-wing lunatics do doesn't make either of them better than the other. Those of us who would prefer to see sane discourse lose whether it's your moronic babble or some kosbag's moronic babble or Sharron Angle's "second amendment solution" babble.

This smile isn't about sides. It's about right and wrong. Political violence is wrong. Calling for political violence is wrong. Attempting to justify political violence is wrong.

[guido911]

Just read that Hanoi Jane Fonda is blaming Palin/Beck/Tea Party. Speaks volumes with those in here with PDS.

[guido911]

I don't like violent rhetoric no matter who it comes from. "Fight" is not violent rhetoric, but you knew that.

Regardless, I know most of the nationally known nutters aren't calling for violence. The problem is that their deranged listeners don't understand the concept of metaphor.

Edited to add: I don't know why I let myself get sucked in to your attempts at drawing moral equivalence. Just because left-wing lunatics do things that right-wing lunatics do doesn't make either of them better than the other. Those of us who would prefer to see sane discourse lose whether it's your moronic babble or some kosbag's moronic babble or Sharron Angle's "second amendment solution" babble.

This smile isn't about sides. It's about right and wrong. Political violence is wrong. Calling for political violence is wrong. Attempting to justify political violence is wrong.

Look Nate, I didn't start this crap. Go to the first page to find that out. Then dbacks thought it would be helpful to post Palin's ad. It was ME that was trying to ad a little context and to point out how stupid affixing blame to anyone else other than the shooter.

BTW, since you seem to know tons more than the media and those "in the know" about this horrible event, tell us how you know this shooter listened to Beck or talk radio, or saw Palin's cross hairs ad.

[Hoss]

They are the CjC from here on out...!!!!!!!.....Even looks like a pair of balls with a tiny crooked ding-A-ling........

You sure like that term BB...did you get a little unwanted something (or somethings) after passing out at a party in college?  sounds like you might need to seek help for it.

Ah yes, BB is part of the local Teaba ..errr.. Tea Party..how's that?

[nathanm]

Look Nate, I didn't start this crap. Go to the first page to find that out. Then dbacks thought it would be helpful to post Palin's ad. It was ME that was trying to ad a little context and to point out how stupid affixing blame to anyone else other than the shooter.

The shooter (and his apparent accomplice(s)) should be blamed for the shooting. The people using violent rhetoric should be blamed for using violent rhetoric, since using violent rhetoric makes violent action seem that much closer to the norm. We've had far too much political violence in the last couple of years. Whether it's because we had gone through a period of time without it making it less plain what a shitty road it is to go down or whether it's because of the increasingly inflammed words being spewed by the crazies on both sides (but seemingly mainly acted upon by the righties, although that may be a perception bias on my part), I don't know.

It's a stretch to say that this guy looked at Palin's map and said "oh well, I'm going to go shoot me a Congresswoman," but it's not a stretch to say that sort of thing contributes to crazies like the shooter thinking that political violence is OK.

It is interesting how Palin's staff spent the day yesterday scrubbing her site of the image and other violent rhetoric she has been using. Apparently even Palin can sense the political winds shifting now that a member of Congress has been shot.

[dbacks fan]

Look Nate, I didn't start this crap. Go to the first page to find that out. Then dbacks thought it would be helpful to post Palin's ad. It was ME that was trying to ad a little context and to point out how stupid affixing blame to anyone else other than the shooter.

BTW, since you seem to know tons more than the media and those "in the know" about this horrible event, tell us how you know this shooter listened to Beck or talk radio, or saw Palin's cross hairs ad.

I brought it up as a reference to a comment that Hoss made, not that I was pointing blame. I read through some of Loghner's youtube ramblings and it reminded me of comments made by Beck relating to "you should be buying gold because they are destroying the US Currency(not just his shill commercials for gold line). Also it remended me of his comments about the gov't is trying to take your guns, your freedom, they're trying to turn the US into a socialist country, and that we need to rise up and take it back." This led me to the article from splc.org about three other people who have acted out in violence with eveidence that they were influenced by Becks comments in commiting their acts.
I was not pointing blame in those posts, I was drawing a conclusion to my thoughts as to what may have set this person off.

Now I have said this plainly and calmly and did not need to some website to complete my statement.

Guido if you want to sit and attack my political views and call me names we can go on for days, yes I made a comment about you and a bong, I was not the first and I'm willing to bet I won't be the last.

[Breadburner]

You sure like that term BB...did you get a little unwanted something (or somethings) after passing out at a party in college?  sounds like you might need to seek help for it.

Ah yes, BB is part of the local Teaba ..errr.. Tea Party..how's that?

Sorry Hossy....My nick name in College was Frosty the Snowman........

[guido911]

That was awesome. You may need to explain that pic to the CjC.

[Hoss]

Sorry Hossy....My nick name in College was Frosty the Snowman........

Oh, I'm sure you were 'curious', though..tell me, did you wear cardigans at the frat house with the boys?

[RecycleMichael]

You republicans sure are quick to argue on this one...it clearly hit a nerve.

The DailyKos said the district should be targeted. Sarah Palin put gun crosshairs on her.

Do you not think there is a difference?

[Breadburner]

That was awesome. You may need to explain that pic to the CjC.

Ohhh..They know what the "Frosting" is The CjC loves...."The Frosting"....**Squirt**

[Breadburner]

You republicans sure are quick to argue on this one...it clearly hit a nerve.

The DailyKos said the district should be targeted. Sarah Palin put gun crosshairs on her.

Do you not think there is a difference?

Please refrain from making inappropriate attacks on other posters.