The Arizona Massacre

[patric]

It's ironic that the very things this guy railed about (restraints on freedom of speech, government intrusion into personal freedoms, gun control) are more likely to occur because of his actions.

It's already spurred an increase in police bureaucracies -- Oklahoma County is creating a "Dignitary Protection Unit" to be the latest cushy specialty squad assignment.  From what im reading, it appears to duplicate the existing OHP bodyguards used by the governor, legislature, football coaches etc.  but it's only tax money.

FWIW, I thought the sheriff's remarks about vitriol were on the money, and Im hoping it was out of conscience and not political gain.

[nathanm]

I don't know what stats you are referring to but there's got to be something wrong with a person who can devise and carry out a very public or well-publicized deadly assault like this.

As best I can tell, there's nothing crazier about this fellow than many of the kooky gold-bug types. Kooky, not insane. Besides, sane people kill all the time.

My information comes from a study of every assassin and attempted assassin of federal or prominent state employees between 1949 and 1999: http://www.secretservice.gov/ntac/ntac_jfs.pdf

[guido911]

A thoughtful and well presented start for conversation.    http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2011/01/lets-get-this-straight.html

A great start for a conversation within the CjC. What a whiny little turd and apologist that writer is. Seriously, "we are not as popular as Palin or Limbaugh, so our violent rhetoric means less."

I guess this leftist thinks Palin is more important than Obama, who himself has a history of violent rhetoric:

http://thespeechatimeforchoosing.wordpress.com/2011/01/10/did-barack-obamas-violent-rhetoric-inspire-mass-murder-in-arizona/

http://www.therightperspective.org/2011/01/10/a-history-of-obamas-violent-rhetoric-pt-2/

[guido911]

George Will weighs in, as only he can. Now, I know he is not the intellectual titan as joiei's writer, but it is a good read.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/10/AR2011011003685.html

[Townsend]

A great start for a conversation within the CjC. What a whiny little turd and apologist that writer is. Seriously, "we are not as popular as Palin or Limbaugh, so our violent rhetoric means less."

I guess this leftist thinks Palin is more important than Obama, who himself has a history of violent rhetoric:

http://thespeechatimeforchoosing.wordpress.com/2011/01/10/did-barack-obamas-violent-rhetoric-inspire-mass-murder-in-arizona/

http://www.therightperspective.org/2011/01/10/a-history-of-obamas-violent-rhetoric-pt-2/

You read that crap?

Jesus, no wonder your online persona is so bent.

[Conan71]

A thoughtful and well presented start for conversation a powder keg.    http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2011/01/lets-get-this-straight.html

FIFY. 

Does this writer not watch Olbermann, Matthews, or Madcow or listen to Garafalo, Franken, et. al.?

Yep, let's lay this mantle all at the feet of conservative pundits because there are none so outrageous on the left.

[Townsend]

Does this writer not watch Olbermann, Matthews, or Madcow or listen to Garafalo, Franken, et. al.?

Nobody listens to them.  They don't have an audience like their yangs do.

[dbacks fan]

You read that crap?

Jesus, no wonder your online persona is so bent.

No, quido and BB are missing their third partner:

[Townsend]

No, quido and BB are missing their third partner:

Delicious

[Breadburner]

No, quido and BB are missing their third partner:

Hossy takes some nice pictures.....

[Hoss]

Hossy takes some nice pictures.....

Guess I've made someone sad these last few days.  And the admin's also given BB a little slap to boot.  Must be tough being you.



At least you call me by name.  Your frat brother won't address me at all.  Reminds me of my six-year-old nephew.

[Conan71]

As best I can tell, there's nothing crazier about this fellow than many of the kooky gold-bug types. Kooky, not insane. Besides, sane people kill all the time.

My information comes from a study of every assassin and attempted assassin of federal or prominent state employees between 1949 and 1999: http://www.secretservice.gov/ntac/ntac_jfs.pdf

Kooky describes people like perrenial mayoral candidates Virginia Jenner, Lawrence Kirkpatrick or even Paul Tay.

If you've been following the first hand accounts of this guy, Loughner was off the hinges.

You are correct in federal assassinations, it's usually to fulfill a political means or interrupt/disrupt prosecution of organized crime. 

The difference is, typical assassinations are not a rampage.  Seldom are innocent by-standers also victims of an assassination attempt.  He may have gone there with the express intent of killing Rep. Giffords.  But based on the setting, situation, and the amount of ammo he brought he was intending to take others with her and apparently was not expecting to survive the attempt based on his writings and messages left for others.  That's completely different from the actions of an assassin.

[Hoss]

Kooky describes people like perrenial mayoral candidates Virginia Jenner, Lawrence Kirkpatrick or even Paul Tay.

If you've been following the first hand accounts of this guy, Loughner was off the hinges.

You are correct in federal assassinations, it's usually to fulfill a political means or interrupt/disrupt prosecution of organized crime. 

The difference is, typical assassinations are not a rampage.  Seldom are innocent by-standers also victims of an assassination attempt.  He may have gone there with the express intent of killing Rep. Giffords.  But based on the setting, situation, and the amount of ammo he brought he was intending to take others with her and apparently was not expecting to survive the attempt based on his writings and messages left for others.  That's completely different from the actions of an assassin.

Except for the fact that documents found at his home indicated he used just that term (assassinate) on a document hand-written with Gifford's name on it.

A lot of it from what a friend told a reporter has to do with a question he posed to Gifford in 2008 at a town hall (I can't find the exact wording of the question, but she either didn't answer it or brushed him off because the question was quite strange).  The friend indicates that was the turning point for his behavioral change.

[guido911]

Nobody listens to them.  They don't have an audience like their yangs do.

You accept that drivel from that liberal hack, and you have the balls to question what I read?

[guido911]

Hossy takes some nice pictures.....

Given what I have read today, I think a bigger cracker will be needed.