Tulsa population 391,906!

[ZYX]

Is anybody else sick of "small town conservative values" every election candidate claims to have? 2/3 of our population live in large urban centers....

[tulsabug]

Is anybody else sick of "small town conservative values" every election candidate claims to have? 2/3 of our population live in large urban centers....

This is Oklahoma - facts have never been worth much.

[DTowner]

I'm not sure someone living in rural Rogers, Creek, Osage, Pawnee, Okmulgee, Washington, or Wagoner County really feels like they live in an "urban center" just because they are included in the Tulsa CSA.  There are still plenty of areas of Tulsa County that look and feel pretty rural.

[Red Arrow]

Is anybody else sick of "small town conservative values" every election candidate claims to have? 2/3 of our population live in large urban centers....

Tulsa and OKC are just small spots on a map compared to the Washington-Boston corridor.  LA, San Francisco etc also make our 2 biggest cities look like small towns.

Edit: forgot Chicago.

[ZYX]

Urban center was too far...but you know what I meant. Probably the majority of people live within a 40 minute drive or less of Tulsa or OKC. I don't consider that rural, or small town.

[TheArtist]

Urban center was too far...but you know what I meant. Probably the majority of people live within a 40 minute drive or less of Tulsa or OKC. I don't consider that rural, or small town.

I do. 

Heck I live at 41st and Yale and still feel like I am in the sticks.  Guess it depends on your perspective, and truthfully most people smack dab in the middle of Tulsa don't really live an urban lifestyle that creates any substantial difference in perspective, attitude, values etc. from someone say living in one of the suburbs.

[ZYX]

Suburbs, small town, equals different. JMO. By your logic, you could consider 80% of the population of Dallas as living in a rural or small town area.

[TheArtist]

Suburbs, small town, equals different. JMO. By your logic, you could consider 80% of the population of Dallas as living in a rural or small town area.

True, but at least they have 20% that do live in an urban area and the rest have the choice and can see what its like lol.

[Red Arrow]

Suburbs, small town, equals different. JMO. By your logic, you could consider 80% of the population of Dallas as living in a rural or small town area.

Suburbs are closer to small town than urban.  One of my Navy friends grew up in New York City.  Not only did he not have a car, he never learned to drive until he was in the Navy.  He didn't need or want a car in NYC.  It's a totally different mind set.  I see most of Tulsa as a big suburb. Take a Google Maps trip around any of the really big cities in the USA. 

[ZYX]

Suburbs are closer to small town than urban.  One of my Navy friends grew up in New York City.  Not only did he not have a car, he never learned to drive until he was in the Navy.  He didn't need or want a car in NYC.  It's a totally different mind set.  I see most of Tulsa as a big suburb. Take a Google Maps trip around any of the really big cities in the USA. 

That's funny, sometimes I actually will do that if I'm bored and have a lot of free time. About the urban vs suburban thing, I agree that most of Tulsa is similar to a suburb, but having friends that live in midtown, they seem to have a slightly more urban mindset. They spend more time downtown, and they are generally not afraid to walk on a sidewalk.

[cannon_fodder]

I just got back from the Gulf Coast of Florida...  talk about one giant suburb.  I think the MSA was 800,000 people and the sprawl was far worse in most areas than OKC.  Tulsa hasn't done very well, but (sadly) we are at least better than most.

Lets hope the current trend of downtown housing and infill keeps growing so we can have a few true urban areas.

[Red Arrow]

That's funny, sometimes I actually will do that if I'm bored and have a lot of free time. About the urban vs suburban thing, I agree that most of Tulsa is similar to a suburb, but having friends that live in midtown, they seem to have a slightly more urban mindset. They spend more time downtown, and they are generally not afraid to walk on a sidewalk.

Most of Bixby doesn't have a sidewalk to walk on.  

Edit:
This is what I think of when someone says Urban Living.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=41-16+47th+Ave+11104&aq=&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=59.379225,129.990234&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=41-16+47th+Ave,+Queens,+New+York+11104&ll=40.741608,-73.922968&spn=0.007048,0.015868&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=40.74165,-73.922796&panoid=4BDKXyhc4dOql8winono5g&cbp=12,242.15,,0,0

Or if you aren't quite so lucky, a random pick from Philadelphia, PA.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Philadelphia,+PA&aq=0&sll=40.74165,-73.922796&sspn=0.00708,0.015868&g=41-16+47th+Ave,+Queens,+New+York+11104&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Philadelphia,+Pennsylvania&ll=39.926588,-75.177063&spn=0.007133,0.015868&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=39.926588,-75.177063&panoid=O1225rVIieOP3A1Wg_sLIw&cbp=12,88.62,,0,0

[Conan71]

Most of Bixby doesn't have a sidewalk to walk on.  

Edit:
This is what I think of when someone says Urban Living.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=41-16+47th+Ave+11104&aq=&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=59.379225,129.990234&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=41-16+47th+Ave,+Queens,+New+York+11104&ll=40.741608,-73.922968&spn=0.007048,0.015868&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=40.74165,-73.922796&panoid=4BDKXyhc4dOql8winono5g&cbp=12,242.15,,0,0

Or if you aren't quite so lucky, a random pick from Philadelphia, PA.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Philadelphia,+PA&aq=0&sll=40.74165,-73.922796&sspn=0.00708,0.015868&g=41-16+47th+Ave,+Queens,+New+York+11104&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Philadelphia,+Pennsylvania&ll=39.926588,-75.177063&spn=0.007133,0.015868&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=39.926588,-75.177063&panoid=O1225rVIieOP3A1Wg_sLIw&cbp=12,88.62,,0,0

Boynton has a sidewalk to nowhere paid for by the porkulus..

[Red Arrow]

Boynton has a sidewalk to nowhere paid for by the porkulus..

Lucky dogs.

What used to be the business district of Bixby had/has sidewalks.

I hate to admit it but I have seen at least 4 or 5 instances of people using the sidewalks along Memorial between the Turnpike and 111th.  I wonder how many $ per walker mile that cost.

Edit:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=74008&aq=&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=59.379225,129.990234&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Bixby,+Oklahoma+74008&ll=35.942362,-95.882036&spn=0.003765,0.007934&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=35.942362,-95.882151&panoid=7dsNcsTv7SqTYvZ0Z1tiOA&cbp=12,262.67,,0,0