GOP budget cuts for 2011 could cost up to 1 mil jobs

[Conan71]

Just some of the over the table stuff

I was going to say, a small percentage

[guido911]

GOP votes to cut funding for Obamacare and Planned Parenthood. (Drudge for links). I won't miss any jobs lost from those cuts.

[nathanm]

GOP votes to cut funding for Obamacare and Planned Parenthood. (Drudge for links). I won't miss any jobs lost from those cuts.

You'll enjoy the increased welfare rolls and higher insurance premiums, I'm sure.

[Townsend]

You'll enjoy the increased welfare rolls and higher insurance premiums, I'm sure.

Ugh, no kidding.  How many more backwater Okie's will misunderstand how they got a baby?

[Conan71]

You'll enjoy the increased welfare rolls and higher insurance premiums, I'm sure.

Hyperbole alert

[nathanm]

Hyperbole alert

It ain't hyperbole, it's statistics.

[Conan71]

It ain't hyperbole, it's statistics.

Really, what stats are those?  Since it's all about what would happen.  It's pretty difficult to put good numbers to things which have not happened yet.

Does planned parenthood dictate sexual behavior for the majority of Americans or just those who can't prioritize family-planning issues on their own? 

[Cats Cats Cats]

Really, what stats are those?  Since it's all about what would happen.  It's pretty difficult to put good numbers to things which have not happened yet.

Does planned parenthood dictate sexual behavior for the majority of Americans or just those who can't prioritize family-planning issues on their own? 

You are forgetting that part of this is specifically about those who ARE prioritizing family planning but can't afford to pay full price for drugs/procedures.

On the effects of the cuts, it depends on how they work it.  If they lose the Title X funding they can do two things.  1) raise the cost of procedures on everything or 2) decrease the amount of people that qualify for their services.  Title X is used for other things like cancer screenings as well as birth control.  If they cut people off they might not get the screening/birth control at full price.  So if the same number of people get the same service then it will have a net 0 effect.

[Gaspar]

I'm always amazed at how diversified the business of government has become. 

[nathanm]

Really, what stats are those?  Since it's all about what would happen.  It's pretty difficult to put good numbers to things which have not happened yet.

Does planned parenthood dictate sexual behavior for the majority of Americans or just those who can't prioritize family-planning issues on their own?  

Historical statistics can be used to make educated guesses about what will happen in the future. Lessened access to family planning services like low cost birth control and educational services, which are PP's main gig, leads to more births, especially among the poor. The poor are the ones who are much less likely to have insurance or be covered only by Medicaid. People who have no access to family planning advice and material are more likely to have more than two kids. People who have more than two kids while in poverty are less likely to be able to dig themselves out of poverty.

All this increases both welfare cost and overall health care costs. I guess if that's your thing, have at it, but quit complaining as your cost continues to rise as people get poorer and there are more poor people. Short of leaving people to die in the gutter, we all pay for people who can't pay for their own health care. Prevention is much less expensive than treatment, as I know you know.

And Gaspar, stop being a twit. As you're well aware, federal law prohibits federal funding from being used to subsidize abortions. This money isn't going to "pregnant no more," it's going to "not pregnant in the first place."

[Gaspar]

Historical statistics can be used to make educated guesses about what will happen in the future. Lessened access to family planning services like low cost birth control and educational services, which are PP's main gig, leads to more births, especially among the poor. The poor are the ones who are much less likely to have insurance or be covered only by Medicaid. People who have no access to family planning advice and material are more likely to have more than two kids. People who have more than two kids while in poverty are less likely to be able to dig themselves out of poverty.

All this increases both welfare cost and overall health care costs. I guess if that's your thing, have at it, but quit complaining as your cost continues to rise as people get poorer and there are more poor people. Short of leaving people to die in the gutter, we all pay for people who can't pay for their own health care. Prevention is much less expensive than treatment, as I know you know.

And Gaspar, stop being a twit. As you're well aware, federal law prohibits federal funding from being used to subsidize abortions. This money isn't going to "pregnant no more," it's going to "not pregnant in the first place."

Money is in one pocket or the other.  I promised my wife I wouldn't use any of the money in my wallet to buy beer this week.  That's why I've been keeping my money in my front pocket.

Believe it or not I have no problem with planned parenthood.  They keep the liberal voters down to a manageable level.  Without this population control we would be over run with folks demanding everything from free healthcare to free lunches.

[nathanm]

Money is in one pocket or the other.  I promised my wife I wouldn't use any of the money in my wallet to buy beer this week.  That's why I've been keeping my money in my front pocket.

So what you're saying is that if I was to get a small business loan and I later donated some of my profit to PP and earmarked it for abortions, the government would be funding abortion? Awesome.

[Gaspar]

So what you're saying is that if I was to get a small business loan and I later donated some of my profit to PP and earmarked it for abortions, the government would be funding abortion? Awesome.

No, and I know you are not that stupid. When you fund one side of an organizations business you free capital to be spent on the other side. 

If you own a donut shop, and the government gives you money to subsidize your sausage roll batter, you no longer have to use the profits from the sale of your donut holes to pay for coating your sausage rolls.  Your donut hole production has just become more profitable, and you can now offer your holes at a lower cost.

Wow!

[nathanm]

No, and I know you are not that stupid. When you fund one side of an organizations business you free capital to be spent on the other side. 

If you own a donut shop, and the government gives you money to subsidize your sausage roll batter, you no longer have to use the profits from the sale of your donut holes to pay for coating your sausage rolls.  Your donut hole production has just become more profitable, and you can now offer your holes at a lower cost.

Wow!

Or you can talk about what actually happens: PP offers a certain level of services, including abortion, at a given price. Government gives PP money (through the states, by the way), PP offers more family planning services and lowers the price, leaving abortion services the same.

[Red Arrow]

Most of the abortions are reported to be provided to the poor and minorities.  Why are there not cries about genocide?