Mike Huckabee: Art and music education

[Hoss]

If you are so tolerant, then why do you insist on calling everything against your beliefs stupid? I am a Christian, and do not consider my beliefs to be stupid, or myself insane. I have a number of friends who are not Christian, and I have never once thought of them to be stupid or insane. Just because someone's beliefs go against yours, it does not certify them as insane.

But he's free to think that they're stupid or insane, as long as he doesn't keep those people he thinks are that way from practicing their brand of religion.  Christians, as a rule of thumb, look down on any religion that doesn't accept Jesus Christ as their personal savior.  That's why I left the church long ago to become more of an agnostic theist.

Thinking someone's religion is stupid isn't intolerance, it's opinion.  Intolerance is saying something like: 'if you're a Muslim you cannot build this building here'.  BIG difference.

[Red Arrow]

I am a Christian, and do not consider my beliefs to be stupid, or myself insane.

I don't know you so just as a point of discussion, if you are/were insane would you recognize it?  I think the odds are against it.

[Gaspar]

I don't know you so just as a point of discussion, if you are/were insane would you recognize it?  I think the odds are against it.

I'm insane and I recognize it.

I use standards of sanity established by others.

[Red Arrow]

I'm insane and I recognize it.

I use standards of sanity established by others.

Looking for hair on your knuckles?

[Gaspar]

Looking for hair on your knuckles?

Insane, not blind.

[Red Arrow]

Insane, not blind.

Must have been a regional joke.

[Conan71]

But he's free to think that they're stupid or insane, as long as he doesn't keep those people he thinks are that way from practicing their brand of religion.  Some Christians, as a rule of thumb, look down on any religion that doesn't accept Jesus Christ as their personal savior.  That's why I left the church long ago to become more of an agnostic theist.

Thinking someone's religion is stupid isn't intolerance, it's opinion.  Intolerance is saying something like: 'if you're a Muslim you cannot build this building here'.  BIG difference.

By and large, I think most Christians are quite tolerant and accepting of other's spiritual life or lack thereof, but like anything else, it's the most vocal minority which seems to set the tone for everyone else whether it's religion or politics.

Nobody is talking about religious rights here, it's about tolerance or intolerance.

Referring to other's spirituality as "woo" shows a high level of arrogance and indifference to the beliefs of others.  It also shows a certain level of disrespect.  Essentially he's saying: "I'm too smart for religion, those who practice it are stupid, or at least not as intelligent as I am."  What even remotely indicates respect or tolerance in that line of thinking?

If I started referring to Islam as "A$$" from now on, I'm quite certain other posters on here would see it as disrespectful, intolerant, and indifferent to the beliefs of those who practice Islam.

[Hoss]

By and large, I think most Christians are quite tolerant and accepting of other's spiritual life or lack thereof, but like anything else, it's the most vocal minority which seems to set the tone for everyone else whether it's religion or politics.

Nobody is talking about religious rights here, it's about tolerance or intolerance.

Referring to other's spirituality as "woo" shows a high level of arrogance and indifference to the beliefs of others.  It also shows a certain level of disrespect.  Essentially he's saying: "I'm too smart for religion, those who practice it are stupid, or at least not as intelligent as I am."  What even remotely indicates respect or tolerance in that line of thinking?

If I started referring to Islam as "A$$" from now on, I'm quite certain other posters on here would see it as disrespectful, intolerant, and indifferent to the beliefs of those who practice Islam.

ALOT of Christians I know belittle any of the other religions.  As a matter of fact, most of the relatives I have that are fairly devout Christians say things that baffle me as it regards to religions such as Buddhism, Islam and the like.  So while you may say SOME Christians, my experience (sofar) is that the majority of those in my inner circle do this.  I'm not saying the majority overall does it, but ones I'm in contact with do.  It's all relative.

[Townsend]

ALOT of Christians I know belittle any of the other religions.  As a matter of fact, most of the relatives I have that are fairly devout Christians say things that baffle me as it regards to religions such as Buddhism, Islam and the like.  So while you may say SOME Christians, my experience (sofar) is that the majority of those in my inner circle do this.  I'm not saying the majority overall does it, but ones I'm in contact with do.  It's all relative.

Sadly, same here.

They refuse to learn more about other faiths/lack of faith and live in their chosen bubble.

It breeds fear and misunderstanding.

[Conan71]

And I appreciate you both making an honest appraisal of you identifying that with people within your own sphere of influence.  In your guys case, if it's family members it's pretty hard to disassociate with them.  I've got a small family so I'm not close to anyone who thinks or says crap like that.

I grew up in the Episcopal Church and went until mid high school.  After high school I experimented with Pentecostal and very charismatic churches because the traditional mass of the EC bored the crap out of me and was uninspiring.  While I was energized with the charismatic services at the new churches I was trying, I quickly became aware of the back-biting and hypocrisy.  It made no sense to me how my grandparents who were very moral and giving people yet weren't church-goers nor did they ever make a mention about faith around me would burn in Hell if they'd have never said the "sinner's prayer".  The cult of personality which surrounds mega pastors also disturbed me as well as the constant begging and guilting for cash.  The seeds of my disdain for organized religion were planted then, only it took another 20 or so years until I quit going all together.  

My spiritual life is personal to me and I don't wear it on my sleeve, I don't try to influence others with it, but I do seem to be in the company of a lot of people who have similar views.  I also choose to avoid people who do wear it on their sleeve and who preach intolerance and exclusion.

[we vs us]

By and large, I think most Christians are quite tolerant and accepting of other's spiritual life or lack thereof, but like anything else, it's the most vocal minority which seems to set the tone for everyone else whether it's religion or politics.

Nobody is talking about religious rights here, it's about tolerance or intolerance.

Referring to other's spirituality as "woo" shows a high level of arrogance and indifference to the beliefs of others.  It also shows a certain level of disrespect.  Essentially he's saying: "I'm too smart for religion, those who practice it are stupid, or at least not as intelligent as I am."  What even remotely indicates respect or tolerance in that line of thinking?

If I started referring to Islam as "A$$" from now on, I'm quite certain other posters on here would see it as disrespectful, intolerant, and indifferent to the beliefs of those who practice Islam.

My reading is that it ain't so much the denomination (christian, muslim, hindu, etc) but belief vs nonbelief.

[Townsend]

And I appreciate you both making an honest appraisal of you identifying that with people within your own sphere of influence.  In your guys case, if it's family members it's pretty hard to disassociate with them.  I've got a small family so I'm not close to anyone who thinks or says crap like that.

I've gotten away from most of the painful aquaintances over the years.  The family members like that?  I keep my distance or make them aware of how I feel quickly.

I'd never experienced any of this kind of thing until I moved to Oklahoma.  Of course that was during the Reagan years and the enormous rise of the Religious Right and Falwell.

I moved to BA and experienced all sorts of crazy from the people that filled the halls of Rhema and ORU at the time.  They were energized in those days.  First impressions of those kinds leave an incredibly bad taste.

I've moved on but anytime a decision is made in government due to a faith, it makes me cringe.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Red,
Better on the knuckle than the palm...

[heironymouspasparagus]

Since the thread is about Huckabee - or was - here is something that is related to the RWRE he so meagerly represents.  As noted in another area, the old saying is "To Democrats, low wages are the problem.  To Republicans, low wages are the answer."

It truly IS a case of redistribution of wealth in this country.  And of course, the RWRE wants you to believe it is the poor who are sucking up all the money and bleeding the country dry.  I have submitted with actual legitimate analysis how that isn't exactly true.  But hey, here is an outside source with some more reality.

We have been and continue to experience the biggest redistribution of wealth in the history of the world.  Kind of like the Roman empire in its final throes.  Think we can avoid the same fate?  I hope so....it looks very grim.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110223/ts_yblog_thelookout/separate-but-unequal-charts-show-growing-rich-poor-gap

Yeah,...looks to me like the top 1% needs a little extra help.

[ZYX]

Don't you DARE tax the top 1%! All hell will break loose..