Walker v. Public Employees

[Red Arrow]

I have an idea. Don't join a union. They won't become lawyers. Fair deal. 

Does a lawyer not have to be a Union member to work for a Union?  (Not necessarily the same Union.)  That sounds a lot like when the Carpententer's Union hired non-union protesters in down town Tulsa.

[guido911]

And the hits just keep on coming.

Last Friday.... after the Assembly voted to engross the Budget Repair Bill, Hintz turned to a female colleague, Rep. Michelle Litjens and said: "You are F***king dead!"

New tone, indeed. Will he be held accountable?

http://www.620wtmj.com/shows/charliesykes/117064153.html?blog=y

But...but...but...the tea party.

[Gaspar]

Does a lawyer not have to be a Union member to work for a Union?  (Not necessarily the same Union.)  That sounds a lot like when the Carpententer's Union hired non-union protesters in down town Tulsa.

They still have protesters at 71st and Sheridan (Montereau).  See em every day sleeping in their lawn chairs next to the sign (leaning on the barbed wire fence).

[Gaspar]

Perhaps that is one of Walker's goals.

I don't think Walker came up with that on his own.  I think he's just tough enough to see it through.  As this grease-fire spreads across the country, we will see more governors/senators/candidates stand up to these groups. 

Currently labor unions are having a tough time staying afloat.  They have diminishing membership, and in this economy companies are justified in reducing their organized labor costs.  Technology, and smart reorganization practices have also made it easier for companies to use fewer employees, reducing the attraction to organization.

This is the death-throw of the organized labor movement.  The end of organized labor was inevitable, but I expected more of a slow fade as technology made it increasingly less justifiable.    Now perhaps it will be more like ripping off a Band-aid.  They will simply implode under their own weight without the support of the public.

[guido911]

This is the death-throw of the organized labor movement.  The end of organized labor was inevitable, but I expected more of a slow fade as technology made it increasingly less justifiable.    Now perhaps it will be more like ripping off a Band-aid.  They will simply implode under their own weight without the support of the public.

Here's hoping your right.

[Red Arrow]

This is the death-throw of the organized labor movement.  The end of organized labor was inevitable, but I expected more of a slow fade as technology made it increasingly less justifiable.    Now perhaps it will be more like ripping off a Band-aid.  They will simply implode under their own weight without the support of the public.

Don't hold your breath waiting just yet.  I believe the Unions will continue but they will realize the goose that lays the golden egg is no good dead.  Workers that cannot stand out above others in a positive manner due to the nature of their work will probably still need some kind of organization to help them.

[RecycleMichael]

This is the death-throw of the organized labor movement.  The end of organized labor was inevitable, but I expected more of a slow fade as technology made it increasingly less justifiable.    Now perhaps it will be more like ripping off a Band-aid.  They will simply implode under their own weight without the support of the public.

It appears to have done the opposite. This issue has solidified unions and helped energize an apathetic democratic party.

It has become very clear which party cares for the working man.

[Gaspar]

Don't hold your breath waiting just yet.  I believe the Unions will continue but they will realize the goose that lays the golden egg is no good dead.  Workers that cannot stand out above others in a positive manner due to the nature of their work will probably still need some kind of organization to help them.

The pressure on them is not just coming from the private sector employers now.  It's coming from the public sector, and from the workers themselves.  

Union members are seeing it less and less valuable to pay large portions of their income to a group that no longer has the power to represent them successfully. As in the case of a local company I am working with, all of the employees got together and opted to dump their union, because they saw no advantage to it.  

It's no longer just the union v.s. employers, it's the union v.s. everyone.

[guido911]

It appears to have done the opposite. This issue has solidified unions and helped energize an apathetic democratic party.

It has become very clear which party cares for the working man.

It has also become very clear which party cares for the taxpayer.

And enough with the pathetic and tired "working man" crap. I work, but I guess I am not a working man. My wife has personally saved more lives than I can count, perhaps even those lives of your idea of "working men", but I guess in your robotic mind she doesn't work either. These people are freakin "employees" like everyone else that works for another, and their employer are the taxpayers. Period.

[Red Arrow]

Union members are seeing it less and less valuable to pay large portions of their income to a group that no longer has the power to represent them successfully. As in the case of a local company I am working with, all of the employees got together and opted to dump their union, because they saw no advantage to it.  

My grandfather (retired in 1962) was a tool and die maker.  He said the only thing the Union could guarantee him was a strike.

If an employer is smart, they will take care of their employees and a union will not be needed or wanted by the workers.

[Red Arrow]

It has become very clear which party puts on a good show pretending to care cares for the working man.

[RecycleMichael]

And enough with the pathetic and tired "working man" crap. I work, but I guess I am not a working man. My wife has personally saved more lives than I can count, perhaps even those lives of your idea of "working men", but I guess in your robotic mind she doesn't work either. These people are freakin "employees" like everyone else that works for another, and their employer are the taxpayers. Period.

I must have touched a nerve.

If you have a job and consider yourself a working man, I will too.

I am not a robot. I am not a robot. I am not a robot.

[guido911]

I must have touched a nerve.

If you have a job and consider yourself a working man, I will too.

No. I'm just tired of hearing about who is considered a "working man" or who is a member of the "working class". Just another way to pit the "haves" against the "have-nots".

[we vs us]

Just another way to pit the "haves" against the "have-nots".

More of a symptom than a cause.  The haves and have nots haven't been this pitted against one another since the Great Depression. And you only really have to compare the Dow to the unemployment rate to see why.

[guido911]

Dirty old man vs. 17 year old.