Libya

[Gaspar]

I agree. I do think it is possible.

I have been a student of government my whole life. My mother was the city hall reporter for the TulsaWorld when I in school and my B.A. was in political science. I have worked for 13 different governments in my career and have served on state and national environmental boards. I went to government schools and most of my relatives have served in the military.

Government can make a positive difference in lives. Government is not just an necessary evil. I know hundreds of government employees who work incredibly hard for fair wages who make my life better.

By reading the comments of gaspar and guido, you would think that everything connected to government is inefficient, corrupt and just trying to interfere with their life. They act like if it is government, it should be spit on.

I don't believe that.  I only believe that some of the actions of government are inefficient, corrupt and attempts to control our lives.  Primarily those actions that are adopted in the name of "fairness," and those that limit the economic freedom of the people.  Government cannot give without taking, and there is not a single example of efficient behavior in this respect.

We are a nation of people of diverse mindsets and an increasing number of us are demanding that our sustenance be derived from government distribution.  This is the natural evolution of a free society.  There will always be a small number of us that resist this political progress, because we understand the path.  Ultimately we can do nothing to stop it, but perhaps we can wake up a few minds to slow the progression.


In the long run progressive politics always wins, and societies become centralized, socialized, and individual economic liberty regulated.  It is a losing battle for conservatives, and those of us with a libertarian mindset, however the battle is worth it if only to preserve a small portion of our freedoms for our children to enjoy.

Don't let us bother you.  In the end, we are losers.  Progressive politics wins, because it promises everything it cannot deliver.

It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money. – P.J. O'Rourke

In increasing numbers, Americans believe that it is the responsibility – nay, the duty – of the federal government to take the earnings of some Americans and redistribute them to other Americans for various and sundry "good" reasons including "fairness." Citizens who know it is wrong to use force to take money from a neighbor have rationalized that it is OK for the government to do it for them. – Linda Bowles

The fact throughout history is that whenever government dominates the economic affairs of its citizenry, a free society is eroded, then destroyed, and a minority government ensues. Personal liberty without economic liberty is an absolute contradiction; the one cannot exist without the other. – William E. Simon

What seems fair enough against a squalid huckster of bad liquor may take on a different face, if used by a government determined to suppress political opposition under the guise of sedition. – Learned Hand

In a free society the state does not administer the affairs of men. It administers justice among men who conduct their own affairs. – Walter Lippmann

Central planning will eventually destroy individual liberty by concentrating all political power in one person or in a committee; furthermore, it will eventually end our prosperity by laying the dead hand of state control on the economy. – Robert M. Thornton

[RecycleMichael]

gaspar...

This is a good conversation. I am going to start another thread. Please post these ideas over there...

[Conan71]

I'm borrowing the P.J. O'Rourke comment.

[guido911]

Well this is an interesting reminder from Rumsfeld.

Libya did have weapons grade plutonium.

http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/001010.php

[guido911]

[Gaspar]

The Germans have pulled out.

"Deep divisions between allied forces currently bombing Libya worsened today as the German military announced it was pulling forces out of NATO over continued disagreement on who will lead the campaign."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1368693/Libya-war-Germans-pull-forces-NATO-Libyan-coalition-falls-apart.html#ixzz1HSX8Sxp2

[Townsend]

The Germans have pulled out.

"Deep divisions between allied forces currently bombing Libya worsened today as the German military announced it was pulling forces out of NATO over continued disagreement on who will lead the campaign."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1368693/Libya-war-Germans-pull-forces-NATO-Libyan-coalition-falls-apart.html#ixzz1HSX8Sxp2

Wow is that misleading.  I guess it's which style of journalism you prefer.

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_7295.shtml

"Germany Pulls Out of NATO No-Fly Zone Operations in Libya"

Germany decided to pull its ships out of NATO patrols in the Mediterranean Wednesday in an effort to stay out of the no-fly military operation by coalition forces.

Germany withdrew two frigates and two support vessels with a total of 550 sailors from NATO's command and put them under its own orders, Defense Minister Thomas de Maiziere told The New York Times.

Berlin's move came after NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen announced the alliance would intercept vessels suspected of bringing illegal arms or mercenaries into Libya.

"All allies are committed to meet their responsibilities under the United Nations resolution," he said. Germany abstained on the U.N. Security Council resolution authorizing the no-fly zone.

De Maiziere said because the mission permits force if necessary, Germany will not join in.

"Either we take part or we don't," he said. NATO "must make it possible for other opinions," he added.

On the other hand, German Chancellor Angela Merkel won Cabinet approval Wednesday to send up to 300 more troops to Afghanistan.

"This would be a genuine relief for NATO and a political sign of our solidarity with our allies, particularly against the backdrop of recent events in Libya," de Maiziere said.

[Gaspar]

This is not war!

According to the White House today, lobbing bombs and killing folks is now to be called "Kinetic Military Action."

Put that in your "Carcinogenic Vapor Aspiration Appliance" and smoke it!

[Townsend]

This is not war!

According to the White House today, lobbing bombs and killing folks is now to be called "Kinetic Military Action."

Put that in your "Carcinogenic Vapor Aspiration Appliance" and smoke it!

Where've you been?  War is something we use against drugs or illegal immigration.  Sometimes we use it against people trying to take down governments friendly to our military bases.

[Red Arrow]

According to the White House today, lobbing bombs and killing folks is now to be called "Kinetic Military Action."

Or, "KMA" for short.

Coincidence?

[Cats Cats Cats]

This is not war!

According to the White House today, lobbing bombs and killing folks is now to be called "Kinetic Military Action."

Put that in your "Carcinogenic Vapor Aspiration Appliance" and smoke it!

Yeah, it is not a war.  Glad you finally caught on to the difference between Military Actions and war.  Only took you 3 military actions over the last 10 years to figure it out.

[Conan71]

Yeah, it is not a war.  Glad you finally caught on to the difference between Military Actions and war.  Only took you 3 military actions over the last 10 years to figure it out.

So bombing countries who pose no immediate threat to the United States is not an act of war now?

[guido911]

So bombing countries who pose no immediate threat to the United States is not an act of war now?

fify. Duh!

[Townsend]

Looks like the ol' 180 skiddoo has taken place in regards to how people are looking at military practices with the change in administration.

[Teatownclown]

fify. Duh!

It's an intervention.

We're dealing with a crazy man....he takes drugs and has a personal blonde. He's bullying innocents trying to depose of him. He's not Sheen. But yet again, case precedent is Ronald Reagan. His bombing missions weren't war. And he bailed on Lebanon and ran away. So let's be clear, Obomba did what Newt and his little followers said he should do with a "no fly zone" (maybe Obomba knew he was referring to the zipping zone on Newts crotch).. ...wait a minute. Newt now thinks differently?


http://www.politicsplus.org/blog/?p=4385 Olberdusche is BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!