Unions and the Wisconsin Governor

[nathanm]

I believe they have given up a few relatively inconsequential items to look good to the public while holding on to the item they hold dearest.

Granted, benefits are not fundamental, as collective bargaining rights are, but the fact remains that the unions have offered a compromise that solves the problem and the Governor has refused, instead holding on for the wholesale destruction of the union. The unions are acting to solve the problem, while the Governor is plainly not. One is acting in a logical manner, the other is not.

[guido911]

Here is a bizarre twist to this story.

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/03/03/conspiracy-to-stall-wi-budget-repair-bill/

[Red Arrow]

Granted, benefits are not fundamental, as collective bargaining rights are, but the fact remains that the unions have offered a compromise that solves the problem will preserve their power in the future and the Governor has refused, instead holding on for the wholesale destruction of the union what he believes is necessary to balance future budgets. The unions are acting to solve the immediate but not future budget problems, while the Governor is plainly not concerned about the future. One is Both are acting in a logical manner. , the other is not.

I don't blame the Unions for wanting to maintain ALL of the collective bargaining items.  That way they can hold the employer at bay in the future with strike threats etc.

As I said.  We are just going to have to disagree on this.  Speaking slowly and louder will not help your case.  I speak and understand the English language.

[nathanm]

If he needs future concessions, why not sit down with the unions at that time? So far, he's gotten everything he's asked for..

[Red Arrow]

If he needs future concessions, why not sit down with the unions at that time? So far, he's gotten everything he's asked for..

I've looked around on the internet a bit regarding the definition and other ramification of collective bargaining and wound up at a site with a bunch of NLRB stuff.  (I think it was University of Hawaii Business School.)  It looks like timing of the end of the contract and when things can and cannot be negotiated are the likely suspects.  What I saw looked mostly like legal talk to protect the unions, which does not surprise me.

[nathanm]

I've looked around on the internet a bit regarding the definition and other ramification of collective bargaining and wound up at a site with a bunch of NLRB stuff.  (I think it was University of Hawaii Business School.)  It looks like timing of the end of the contract and when things can and cannot be negotiated are the likely suspects.  What I saw looked mostly like legal talk to protect the unions, which does not surprise me.

American Airlines has succeeded in getting their unions to agree to concession after concession without waiting for renegotiation time. It probably helps that they still have the Chapter 11 card..

[Red Arrow]

American Airlines has succeeded in getting their unions to agree to concession after concession without waiting for renegotiation time. It probably helps that they still have the Chapter 11 card..

American Airlines is (at least) one case where I agree with some of the Union's demands.  Giving huge performance bonuses to executives after making the rank & file take 25% cuts is unacceptable.  I took a 25% cut once (totally unrelated to AA) and it was tough.

[guido911]

If he needs future concessions, why not sit down with the unions at that time? So far, he's gotten everything he's asked for..

Why should he negotiate, especially given the union's and the dem senator's behavior?

[Townsend]

Why should he negotiate, especially given the union's and the dem senator's behavior?

Might as well flip that question.

Why should the union or democrat senators act any different when he's unwilling to negotiate?  Can you list a reason that would be helpful to them?

Calling them names and claiming they're childish isn't the answer.

[Red Arrow]

Why should the union or democrat senators act any different when he's unwilling to negotiate?  Can you list a reason that would be helpful to them?

Not getting recalled and continued paychecks might be an acceptable reason.

[nathanm]

The more I think about it, the more I realize how hypocritical it is for Walker to be upset by the Senators' reaction. He is attempting to ram through a rather extreme bill and is condemning reactions that are no more extreme than his own position. If you don't like extremism, don't be an extremist yourself.

[Townsend]

Not getting recalled and continued paychecks might be an acceptable reason.

On the subject, not the consequences.

[Red Arrow]

The more I think about it, the more I realize how hypocritical it is for Walker to be upset by the Senators' reaction. He is attempting to ram through a rather extreme bill and is condemning reactions that are no more extreme than his own position. If you don't like extremism, don't be an extremist yourself.

Maybe the Republicans shouldn't have told the Democrats what was in the bill until they voted for it.  

[Gaspar]

Maybe the Republicans shouldn't have told the Democrats what was in the bill until they voted for it.  

Shame, shame, shame!

[guido911]

The more I think about it, the more I realize how hypocritical it is for Walker to be upset by the Senators' reaction. He is attempting to ram through a rather extreme bill and is condemning reactions that are no more extreme than his own position. If you don't like extremism, don't be an extremist yourself.

What's "extreme" about it? The fact that some PEU members will not be able to collectively bargain. THE HORROR! Right now, in this state, our legislature is debating tort reform measures that if enacted could literally flip the light switch off in our civil courtrooms. But your more outraged over what is happening in Wisconsin?

Speaking of "condemning reactions", I cannot believe this estimate of the damage down to WI's state house by these union and their supporters slobs.

http://www.fox6now.com/news/witi-20110303-capitol-cleanup-costs,0,5141893.story