Unions and the Wisconsin Governor

[Teatownclown]

NO!  Say it's not true. .. You're not. . .couldn't be. . .implying that IT'S BUSH'S SCOTUS' FAULT!

can you imagine what a cultist and his flock might do to the courts?

[Teatownclown]

American Airlines is (at least) one case where I agree with some of the Union's demands.  Giving huge performance bonuses to executives after making the rank & file take 25% cuts is unacceptable.  I took a 25% cut once (totally unrelated to AA) and it was tough.

Job Cuts Expected at American Airlines' Tulsa Maintenance Base, Possibly Today
http://stateimpact.npr.org/oklahoma/2012/06/06/job-cuts-expected-at-american-airlines-tulsa-maintenance-base-possibly-today/?utm_source=bit.ly&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=twitter

[nathanm]

Are you suggesting Chicago teachers are morons or bottom of the barrel types?

No, I'm suggesting the common stereotype given by the anti-union lower-their-pay folks is of stupid and lazy people suckling from the government teat. If that stereotype is actually true, the market is obviously telling us we're not paying enough. Do most private companies who find themselves with a set of stupid employees look at the situation and say "oh, I've got dumb employees, I guess I should lower pay to get some better people"? I don't think that's how it works, but I've personally never employed more than a couple of people at a time.

If the pay isn't the issue, why is it that we can't get many good public employees? It's not as if people don't deal with equally stupid bureaucracy in many of our very large corporate employers.

[Red Arrow]

Or perhaps there's something else at work keeping well qualified people from going for those jobs?

Well, it would require living in the Chicago area.

Seriously though, teachers' salaries may be $25K more than average but is that a salary that would allow someone in that area to live reasonably comfortable?

[guido911]

Well, I was wrong. Dooshbags are still out there marching and b!tching again. These people cannot understand "STHU you lost FOUR TIMES" through their dumbassed heads.

[Ed W]

Well, I was wrong. Dooshbags are still out there marching and b!tching again. These people cannot understand "STHU you lost FOUR TIMES" through their dumbassed heads.

What!  The nerve of those people!  They should follow the example set by the Republicans after McCain's massive loss in the 2008 election.  They knew they were beaten and they....um....they got really humble and quiet about it for....um..........never mind.

[guido911]

What!  The nerve of those people!  They should follow the example set by the Republicans after McCain's massive loss in the 2008 election.  They knew they were beaten and they....um....they got really humble and quiet about it for....um..........never mind.

Walker won in 2010, one recall effort failed last year, Prosser beat Kloppy lastyear, now Walker, Kleefisch and 3 other recall targets all win CONVINCINGLY. That's FOUR failed attempts, three to undo an election. What more do these people (who you support) want? Oh, did I mention these animals tore up the state's capitol building and a bunch of elected officials pussed out and hid in another state?

[Ed W]

So, since they were on the losing side in this election, they also lost their rights to free speech and assembly? 

Guido, you're whining and your side won!  Some of us learned the concepts of sportsmanship and good grace way back in elementary school.  Keep in mind that democracy is much like a pendulum.  It swings both ways.  Gov. Walker and the Wisconsin Republicans have already exhibited a tendency toward hubris, over reaching, and tone deafness that rivals Mitt Romney.  It's a given that they'll screw up sooner or later and the voters will toss them out. 

[Red Arrow]

Some of us learned the concepts of sportsmanship and good grace way back in elementary school. 

But we/they don't make the national news, FOX, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC......

[Conan71]

It swings both ways.  Gov. Walker and the Wisconsin Republicans have already exhibited a tendency toward hubris, over reaching, and tone deafness that rivals Mitt Romney.  It's a given that they'll screw up sooner or later and the voters will toss them out. 

Has he not balanced the budget and isn't Wisconsin one of the leaders in job growth?

Definitely signs of poor leadership.  Fire the bastard!

[heironymouspasparagus]

So, since they were on the losing side in this election, they also lost their rights to free speech and assembly? 

Guido, you're whining and your side won!  Some of us learned the concepts of sportsmanship and good grace way back in elementary school.  Keep in mind that democracy is much like a pendulum.  It swings both ways.  Gov. Walker and the Wisconsin Republicans have already exhibited a tendency toward hubris, over reaching, and tone deafness that rivals Mitt Romney.  It's a given that they'll screw up sooner or later and the voters will toss them out. 

Ed,
He's a lawyer.  Remember that and all will be clear.


As for the election - well, I think Walker is not gonna be much of a governor to the state of Wisconsin - more like our Fallin one.... but even as distasteful as he is to me, the recall was a kind of amateurish ploy.  Even as big a non-supporter of Walker (and Fallin) as I am, the will of the people trumps my feelings, and I would have voted "against" just because it was an attempt to go around the previous vote.  Let it ride and work to get him out the next time.

[guido911]

So, since they were on the losing side in this election, they also lost their rights to free speech and assembly? 

Guido, you're whining and your side won!  Some of us learned the concepts of sportsmanship and good grace way back in elementary school.  Keep in mind that democracy is much like a pendulum.  It swings both ways.  Gov. Walker and the Wisconsin Republicans have already exhibited a tendency toward hubris, over reaching, and tone deafness that rivals Mitt Romney.  It's a given that they'll screw up sooner or later and the voters will toss them out. 

Well over half of Wisconsin didn't believe any "over reach" or "tone deafness" justified throwing Walker out. Indeed I read Walker actually got more votes this go around than he was first elected. You apparently haven't gotten over it, but the people who live there have and spoke rather loudly and unequivocally. All I just want is that whole thing to just stop and the sore losers to shut up. However, it isn't happening here and it's not happening in Wisconsin.

Oooooh. I'm so mad I could just slap someone.  

[nathanm]

All I just want is that whole thing to just stop and the sore losers to shut up.

Hypocrite much? While you probably aren't the most prolific complainer about Obama, you have been the chairman of the joint chiefs of whine since day one.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Has he not balanced the budget and isn't Wisconsin one of the leaders in job growth?

Definitely signs of poor leadership.  Fire the bastard!

Yeah...that's it...if you think somewhere around 47th or so in the nation is being a "leader"...

[Red Arrow]

Yeah...that's it...if you think somewhere around 47th or so in the nation is being a "leader"...

Leading 48, 49, & 50.