BOK Center

[Teatownclown]

I will stand by my prediction of 3 year profitability. Subscriber renewals may be telling as many have cut back since 2007.

WP moved their show from BOK to the Brady this Sunday (better venue anyway).

Bolton's done great. Will he bolt further down the road?

[Conan71]

To be fair, I don't think most folks were forecasting ruination.  There were just lots of questions about the way the thing went up and the proper use of tax dollars.  You're going to tell me the city/county has earned the right not to be second-guessed on these things?   First and foremost in my book is the location.  Just can't get behind the placement... best argument for it was proximity to the convention center, but I haven't seen the promised synergy.  Should have been closer to the entertainment district(s). 

But this is awesome anyway, and it has turned out even better than anyone could have expected.

Floyd, I was one of the worst skeptics and haters on this project.  Just wait until the new construction to the east is done, the A-Loft is open and we can re-purpose or demolish some other buildings like the Page Belcher Building, it will seem a lot more connected then.

[Teatownclown]

Connected? Great. Please tell me how many "connected" events will be held over a year.

There won't be a road coming through there connecting old City Hall for some time.

Will the library disappear too, Conack?

[stageidea]

WP moved their show from BOK to the Brady this Sunday (better venue anyway).

Wow, I am glad I read this thread.  I wasn't aware the show had even moved. 

[Conan71]

I forget that you're the biggest convert on here.  And don't get me wrong--it's working out where it is--but having to repurpose City Hall and tear down a federal building make things a lot more complicated than, oh, say, just building the East End from scratch as the arena goes up.

Quite well understood.  It would have a little more synergy with the development in the Blue Dome for sure.

[BKDotCom]

WP = Widespread Panic..   might save a few folks the need to visit the Brady's website to look that up.

[Hoss]

Quite well understood.  It would have a little more synergy with the development in the Blue Dome for sure.

I think it has plenty of synergy with it as is.  It's a good compromise...it's needs to be connected to the convention center, or be relatively close.  And walking from the BOK to the Blue Dome?  About 6 minutes when I do it.

[Townsend]

And walking from the BOK to the Blue Dome?  About 6 minutes when I do it.

Pshhhht, walk?

[Hoss]

Pshhhht, walk?

You've seen me...you think I don't need it?  LOL.

[Jeff P]

I think it has plenty of synergy with it as is.  It's a good compromise...it's needs to be connected to the convention center, or be relatively close.  And walking from the BOK to the Blue Dome?  About 6 minutes when I do it.

Yeah - I do find it sort of interesting when people complain about the BOK's placement in this way.

I'm one of those people who wishes it would have been placed in Blue Dome, but I don't think it's THAT big of a deal.

As you noted... you can walk straight down 2nd Street from the arena and be in Blue Dome in about 6-8 minutes.

[cannon_fodder]

1.  I'm thinling Widespread moving their show probably has more to do with the Brady being 3000 seats to the BOKs 20,000...  but I agree a show is better in a smaller venue anyway.

2.  The problem with the bok center where it is lies in the fact that its an economic desert.  Go in, watch your show, leave.  You don't walk past places enticing you to stay and spend your money downtown tulsa before heading back to owasso.  This was the largest complaint of ncaa guests - nothing (to spend their money on) to do near the arena.  You have to look for and travel to before/after entertainment.

There are advantages to where its located, but . . .

3. Aox, your 3 years of profits prediction came after it was proven a success.  It is just a new prediction of failure when you were wrong.

[Teatownclown]

Bad guess, Sparty.

Here's the deal. WP audience like to cop a buzz but booze ain't their preference. They played BOK and many of their fans got busted because....well, it's Teatown: a no tolerance little hick town and zero tolerance for smoking pot (see:corporate prison outsourcing). Now, they sold 500 advance tickets for an 18,000 seat arena because none of the followers wanted to come here again as word travels about these bad vibe cities.  So, they moved it to Brady and the count is 1000. BFD.

The BOK was a three year term from opening according to my inside sources. Let's see what next year brings. The place has already peaked out. And no cool people will come here much in the future. But hey, there's always Cirque de Sole and the pop and the cuntry. They won't float the boat. The BOK will skid.

BTW, CF...the arema is only 3 blocks from the Blue Dome and/or Brady Franklin districts. To say they are too far away is lame.

[Hoss]

Bad guess, Sparty.

Here's the deal. WP audience like to cop a buzz but booze ain't their preference. They played BOK and many of their fans got busted because....well, it's Teatown: a no tolerance little hick town and zero tolerance for smoking pot (see:corporate prison outsourcing). Now, they sold 500 advance tickets for an 18,000 seat arena because none of the followers wanted to come here again as word travels about these bad vibe cities.  So, they moved it to Brady and the count is 1000. BFD.

The BOK was a three year term from opening according to my inside sources. Let's see what next year brings. The place has already peaked out. And no cool people will come here much in the future. But hey, there's always Cirque de Sole and the pop and the cuntry. They won't float the boat. The BOK will skid.

BTW, CF...the arema is only 3 blocks from the Blue Dome and/or Brady Franklin districts. To say they are too far away is lame.

Sucks to be wrong, doesn't it?  Spin, spin away.

[Jeff P]

This was the largest complaint of ncaa guests - nothing (to spend their money on) to do near the arena.  You have to look for and travel to before/after entertainment.

Except for the giant tent party right across the street from the arena?

Also - I don't doubt that some guests complained about that.... because... you know... someone will always complain about something.

But I also saw throngs of people walking down 2nd Street toward Blue Dome every day of the tournament... I also saw lots of tournament goers at Blue Dome establishments over the weekend... so a good portion of them figured it out.

[Red Arrow]

A downtown circulator (real) trolley system would help take the distance out of the BOK from the Brady, Blue Dome...   It would need to have a short headway (time between trolleys) so people would be willing to wait for the next one.  I am aware of the $ factor.