BOK Center

[Hoss]

A downtown circulator (real) trolley system would help take the distance out of the BOK from the Brady, Blue Dome...   It would need to have a short headway (time between trolleys) so people would be willing to wait for the next one.  I am aware of the $ factor.

100 percent in agreement with this.  They 'sort of' have this now, but it's not a real trolley system.

[Teatownclown]

Sucks to be wrong, doesn't it?  Spin, spin away.

So, what portion of dwindling audiences don't you get? (see Fair Meadows article in the abbreviated Tulsa Whirled Sunday edition.....looks like Fair Meadows petered out)....

[Hoss]

So, what portion of dwindling audiences don't you get? (see Fair Meadows article in the abbreviated Tulsa Whirled Sunday edition.....looks like Fair Meadows petered out)....

Fair Meadows <> BOK Center.

Wow.

[Teatownclown]

Fair Meadows <> BOK Center.

Wow.

Well, some of us recall the daze when FM was Tulsa's great hope for good fun entertainment <BOK>. Ron Shotts=fail.

Will Bolton bolt?

[ZYX]

Where have you heard that the BOK is slipping under? Of course it's not gonna have AS many big acts as it's first year, because it's not brand new anymore. However, you may recall that it recently won this weird award thingy, something about best management I think. The BOK's managing team is phenomenal and brings in many, many popular events. But I guess if all this changes in the next six months you will be right.

[cannon_fodder]

So, AOX, your theory is WP had to change venues because only 500 fans would go to a 20000 seat venue if they couldn't smoke pot - but 1000 fans willl go if they can smoke pot.  You realize that makes no sense. 

Also, from 2nd and Denver to 2nd and Elgin is clearly not 3 blocks.  Please learn to count.

Jeff:

I'm not arguing that  such a distance is too far for me.  I'm stating, as a fact, that crowds of people are far less likely to seek out places to spend money than if they are right there.  See KC light and power. The Excel Energy Center is st. Paul.  The FedEx Forums. Or any number of venues...  they draw people in to spend money and enjoy themselves near those venues.

People unfamiliar with downtown, from bixby  or from boston, may not want to go hunting for a bar.  And that was, by far, the largest item of feedback from the ncaa - in spite of the cities efforts.

[ZYX]

Please please please please, do not smoke pot in the BOK Center. I love the Cain's but my gosh, can barely breathe when you walk in there.

[Teatownclown]

So, AOX, your theory is WP had to change venues because only 500 fans would go to a 20000 seat venue if they couldn't smoke pot - but 1000 fans willl go if they can smoke pot.  You realize that makes no sense. 

Also, from 2nd and Denver to 2nd and Elgin is clearly not 3 blocks.  Please learn to count.

They did not "have" to do anything. The broker/promoter did it. The word among the WP cult got out and some decided to make the trek to Teatown once the venue changed. That probably doesn't make sense to you either because Teatown got black balled which makes you mad. And it's no further from MSG to many points in NYC but we still walk despite the elements because we can. Same in SF (except Oakland) and Chitown (except Rosemont) Don't be so miserable or is it laziness? You're not lame.

zyx: when was the last time you went to Cain's? The floor trash is worse than the smoke....and the constant crowd chatter needs more attention than the smokers because the smokers go outside. Although, some people have been busted for pot inside and outside the Cain's recently by those allied corporate prison pigs.

Stop the war on drugs.

[ZYX]

zyx: when was the last time you went to Cain's?

December 2010

And because of the character of people, and the pot smell, I don't plan to return for a while.

[Teatownclown]

That's too bad. Try not to be so negative. I'm always amazed how nobody tokes up in the Cain's anymore. Ruins the ambiance.   Plus, you may actually catch some future huge stars....

Support the locals....BOK monies tie into LiveNation and the national chain of events. Plus, BOK doesn't feel like a theater show.... it feels oppressive.

[ZYX]

That's too bad. Try not to be so negative. I'm always amazed how nobody tokes up in the Cain's anymore. Ruins the ambiance.  Plus, you may actually catch some future huge stars....

Support the locals....BOK monies tie into LiveNation and the national chain of events. Plus, BOK doesn't feel like a theater show.... it feels oppressive.

Don't get me wrong, LOVED the venue, and the band was amazing. I just wish people would lay off the pot and behave themselves in there.

[Teatownclown]

Don't get me wrong, LOVED the venue, and the band was amazing. I just wish people would lay off the pot and behave themselves in there.

And I wish they'd lay off the booze and S T F U. Define "behave" anymore....

[Hoss]

And I wish they'd lay off the booze and S T F U. Define "behave" anymore....

How about not melting down on a public forum and claiming someone hacked your forum account?

[Red Arrow]

100 percent in agreement with this.  They 'sort of' have this now, but it's not a real trolley system.

A bus is better than nothing.  Is the bus that some people call a trolley still running?  I haven't heard.  What is the time between buses?

[Conan71]

A downtown circulator (real) trolley system would help take the distance out of the BOK from the Brady, Blue Dome...   It would need to have a short headway (time between trolleys) so people would be willing to wait for the next one.  I am aware of the $ factor.

2nd st. would make perfect sense, especially if they would put a multi-level garage just to the east of the PAC.  Run a trolley from BOK/CC to 2nd & Greenwood or even a little further or have it go left from second up to a stop at Archer or even OSU to serve the Greenwood/OSU/OneOk field.  They could also make a left on Denver at the other end from 2nd and go up to 5th or 6th to serve the library and courthouse.