Cam's Downtown Grocery Needs Help with R&D Survey

[Conan71]

Except for the Whole Foods in Oklahoma City.

"Scheduled to open by year-end 2011, the new Oklahoma City Whole Foods Market will be the largest natural and organic supermarket in the state. In keeping with Whole Foods Market's recently announced national initiative to reduce energy consumption and greenhouse gas emissions by 25 percent by 2010, the supermarket in Oklahoma City will be built to strict green building standards. The Oklahoma City store will incorporate an energy efficient design, alternative refrigerants and advanced eco-friendly systems."

Ain't open yet.

[Townsend]

Except for the Whole Foods in Oklahoma City.

"Scheduled to open by year-end 2011, the new Oklahoma City Whole Foods Market will be the largest natural and organic supermarket in the state. In keeping with Whole Foods Market's recently announced national initiative to reduce energy consumption and greenhouse gas emissions by 25 percent by 2010, the supermarket in Oklahoma City will be built to strict green building standards. The Oklahoma City store will incorporate an energy efficient design, alternative refrigerants and advanced eco-friendly systems."

Ain't open yet.

Man, Conan just slapped that ham sandwich right out of your hands.

[swake]

Except for the Whole Foods in Oklahoma City.

There isn't one there (yet), it opens late this year.

[Gaspar]

IMO, 18th & Boston is a fantastic location.  I don't know why you would limit the demographics to two zip codes--in fact, 74120 and parts of 74114 are within walking distance--i.e., MapleRidge (people with decent money who also tend to prefer local, natural foods).  

Because my demographic tools don't charge me if I use established data sets.  I can run an actual analysis based on traffic patterns and density for that area, but it would cost me money, and contain a far smaller population.  The zips I chose offered a generous market group.

I'm not trying to be discouraging, I just think it is of value for someone with a dream to know the obstacles they must overcome, rather than getting hit by that train later.

Everything boils down to numbers, and the logic of the situation always triumphs over the emotion.  Everyone who pledges to visit a location only does so until economics forces them to make more logical decisions.  I have no doubt that such a market will develop a cadre of devout followers and regular customers, but will those numbers be enough to sustain the concept?

 

[Gaspar]

"Scheduled to open by year-end 2011, the new Oklahoma City Whole Foods Market will be the largest natural and organic supermarket in the state. In keeping with Whole Foods Market's recently announced national initiative to reduce energy consumption and greenhouse gas emissions by 25 percent by 2010, the supermarket in Oklahoma City will be built to strict green building standards. The Oklahoma City store will incorporate an energy efficient design, alternative refrigerants and advanced eco-friendly systems."

Ain't open yet.

Cool!  They ordered product from us last week, so I figured they were open already.

[zstyles]

Very Cool! I might have to now drive to OKC to visit it!

[Conan71]

Cool!  They ordered product from us last week, so I figured they were open already.

Finally something we pwn3d OKC on

I would have assumed they had at least two down there myself without checking.

[swake]

Finally something we pwn3d OKC on

I would have assumed they had at least two down there myself without checking.

OKC's grocery store options are abysmal and Whole Foods will only somewhat fix that.

I have no idea why Reasors has not moved in, they would kill in Oklahoma City.

[Conan71]

OKC's grocery store options are abysmal and Whole Foods will only somewhat fix that.

I have no idea why Reasors has not moved in, they would kill in Oklahoma City.

Crest is very competitive there.  Other than the meat department, IMO, they are on par with Reasor's and my basket cost is usually less when I shop at Crest than at Reasor's.  I've gotten in the habit on weekends I'm down there, doing my shopping for the next week on Sunday night and bringing it back in a cooler.

[SXSW]

I was of the impression from prior discussion on here that building has been sold and has a date with the wrecking ball.

That's the first I've heard...there's a sign out front that still says For Sale.

If so that would be a big loss for Sobo.

[TheTed]

If only our stupid liquor laws didn't prevent Whole Foods from offering the cool alcohol-related stuff they have at other locations like beer while you browse and growler stations.

[Conan71]

That's the first I've heard...there's a sign out front that still says For Sale.

If so that would be a big loss for Sobo.

Unless I'm confused on which building Pourhouse was in:

http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=17187.msg191792#msg191792

[TulsaGuy]

Gaspar - where do you procure your demographic information?  just curious

[Gaspar]

Gaspar - where do you procure your demographic information?  just curious

I have ArcGIS with several demographic layers I've purchased over the years as well as the free repositories.  I used to use it quite frequently as part of my job, now I just do contract stuff for a few developer friends. Most of my data is current to 2009.

[SXSW]

Unless I'm confused on which building Pourhouse was in:

http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=17187.msg191792#msg191792

Interesting...I wonder what will go in its place?  It isn't the greatest building but it is 2 stories and creates a street presence in the area...hopefully whatever is built there has a similar form but more glass.