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9 Things The Rich Don't Want You To Know About Taxes

Started by Teatownclown, April 17, 2011, 02:08:31 PM

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Red Arrow

Quote from: Hoss on April 20, 2011, 01:42:43 PM
 You can freeze the air at 8 percent humidity verses 50 %.  Which is going thaw water out more.  Obviously not the 8 percent.

When air goes from above 32 F to below 32 F, water doesn't thaw.  Please clarify.
 

Hoss

Quote from: Red Arrow on April 20, 2011, 06:20:00 PM
When air goes from above 32 F to below 32 F, water doesn't thaw.  Please clarify.

How about from below to above?  Clear enough, sparky?

;D

Red Arrow

Quote from: Hoss on April 20, 2011, 08:21:05 PM
How about from below to above?  Clear enough, sparky?

;D

Sparky?  I'm a mechanical engineer, not an electrical engineer.  I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express predecessor (US Navy Aviation Electronics Technician School) a long time ago.

I think the damage is actually started when liquid water expands while freezing, opening cracks and voids with water in them.  When the ice (frozen water) thaws and contracts the damage is done.  I have seen the results of this in frozen water pipes.  Actually, water is at its densest at approximately 4 Deg C (39 Deg F).
 

heironymouspasparagus

Sparky!  I love it...haven't heard us electro-droid worker bees referred to as that for a long time!  Thanks, Hoss for the little regression therapy!

Remember earlier in the year when we got some days with outside temperatures at 36 to 38?  And there was frost on the windows?  Water frozen above 32 degrees F.  How cool is that!!  And yep, it is real!  (Think low pressure...)


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Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on April 21, 2011, 04:11:45 AM
Remember earlier in the year when we got some days with outside temperatures at 36 to 38?  And there was frost on the windows?  Water frozen above 32 degrees F.  How cool is that!!  And yep, it is real!  (Think low pressure...)

Think radiation cooling.  

Edit:

The freezing point of water does indeed increase with low pressure.  All the way to 0.0099 Deg C at 0.006 atmospheres of pressure.  It is highly unlikely that you saw frozen water at 36 F to 39 F.  Radiation cooling (or perhaps some other mechanism) cooled the window to below the local air temperature and then the water (humidity in the air) froze.

http://www.google.com/#q=water+phase+diagram&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=3e7f5c8c9ada6c87&hl=en
www.sciencegeek.net/Chemistry/chempdfs/phasediagrams.pdf
This should take you to a phase diagram of water showing pressure vs temperature and the solid/liquid/vapor states of water.
 

Conan71

Quote from: Red Arrow on April 21, 2011, 07:42:30 AM
Think radiation cooling.  

Edit:

The freezing point of water does indeed increase with low pressure.  All the way to 0.0099 Deg C at 0.006 atmospheres of pressure.  It is highly unlikely that you saw frozen water at 36 F to 39 F.  Radiation cooling (or perhaps some other mechanism) cooled the window to below the local air temperature and then the water (humidity in the air) froze.

http://www.google.com/#q=water+phase+diagram&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=3e7f5c8c9ada6c87&hl=en
www.sciencegeek.net/Chemistry/chempdfs/phasediagrams.pdf
This should take you to a phase diagram of water showing pressure vs temperature and the solid/liquid/vapor states of water.

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Quote from: Conan71 on April 18, 2011, 10:55:08 AM
"Working Stiffs Taxed More Than Plutocrats"

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Gaspar

Quote from: Red Arrow on April 20, 2011, 09:10:42 PM
Sparky?  I'm a mechanical engineer, not an electrical engineer.  I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express predecessor (US Navy Aviation Electronics Technician School) a long time ago.

I think the damage is actually started when liquid water expands while freezing, opening cracks and voids with water in them.  When the ice (frozen water) thaws and contracts the damage is done.  I have seen the results of this in frozen water pipes.  Actually, water is at its densest at approximately 4 Deg C (39 Deg F).

+1
But take it a step further.  When it's been 27 degrees for a week and all of a sudden the temp rises to 60, and the sun it out heating the top half inch of blacktop to the point where the oil/tar softens slightly and is able to stretch and release the expansion pressure from the still frozen moisture just below the surface.  POW!  Welcome to Oklahoma.
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Hoss

Quote from: Gaspar on April 21, 2011, 05:01:12 PM
+1
But take it a step further.  When it's been 27 degrees for a week and all of a sudden the temp rises to 60, and the sun it out heating the top half inch of blacktop to the point where the oil/tar softens slightly and is able to stretch and release the expansion pressure from the still frozen moisture just below the surface.  POW!  Welcome to Oklahoma.

Thus my point:  when your average a relative humidity on the order of 10 percent, it's hard to get a lot of trapped frozen moisture in the porous contents of asphalt.

Makes me wonder how long it will be before they start blacktopping the lanes of 169 south of I-244.  Two more years?  Three?

nathanm

Quote from: Gaspar on April 21, 2011, 05:01:12 PM
+1
But take it a step further.  When it's been 27 degrees for a week and all of a sudden the temp rises to 60, and the sun it out heating the top half inch of blacktop to the point where the oil/tar softens slightly and is able to stretch and release the expansion pressure from the still frozen moisture just below the surface.  POW!  Welcome to Oklahoma.
Amazing how these things only manage to happen in such a way as to render roads unmaintainable in the State of Oklahoma.
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Red Arrow

Quote from: nathanm on April 22, 2011, 12:33:35 AM
Amazing how these things only manage to happen in such a way as to render roads unmaintainable in the State of Oklahoma.

We're special.
;D
 

nathanm

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Red Arrow

Quote from: nathanm on April 22, 2011, 02:39:49 PM
So back on the topic:


The way I see the chart, the rich appear to be paying a proportion of taxes higher than their proportion of income.  Is that correct?