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9 Things The Rich Don't Want You To Know About Taxes

Started by Teatownclown, April 17, 2011, 02:08:31 PM

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guido911

Quote from: nathanm on May 07, 2011, 08:52:38 PM
It doesn't what? The numbers don't demonstrate that asking the bottom 50% of income earners for more money is useless? An extra 5% on them (assuming the entirety of the increase is actually paid) would net the government $55 billion. A pittance. Tax us in the top 50% of income earners an extra 5% and you generate $355 billion.

I'm talking about raising money for the government's operations. You're talking about a bunch of irrelevant class warfare bullshit so you don't have to pay more tax while still receiving the benefits while trying to smear me as attempting to perpetrate class warfare against you.

I know you don't like it, but one of the implications of the extreme income inequality we have in this country is that almost all the money to run things has to come from the top. There just isn't enough money at the bottom to make a whit of difference to the federal government's budget.

Edited to add: Put another way, and I'm not advocating this as good tax policy, a 50% tax rate on the top 50% of income earners and zero percent on everyone else would pay all the federal government's bills. A 100% tax rate on the bottom 50% would cover less than a third of the federal budget. Perhaps that illustrates why I don't really give a smile whether or not we tax poor people, at least insofar as getting the bills paid goes. (I think there is a societal benefit to having them pay something, actually, but it doesn't actually solve any budgetary problems)

Seriously? You want me to believe that your posts about the income gap was all about how taxing/raising taxes on the poor will not raise enough money? Whatever.

And $55B is a pittance? Well then let's just forget about raising it altogether then. What a waste of everyone's time.
Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

nathanm

Quote from: guido911 on May 07, 2011, 10:04:27 PM
And $55B is a pittance? Well then let's just forget about raising it altogether then. What a waste of everyone's time.
Think about what a small percentage of the budget 55 billion dollars actually is and get back to me.
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

nathanm

Still thinking about it?

Guido, you asked earlier how it is you and the other high income earners owe the rest of us a tax increase? Let's think about that for a minute. Since the mid-80s, surpluses in payroll tax collections have been used to provide tax cuts for the top brackets. Those tax cuts were paid for with borrowed money. Now that it's time to repay, all we hear about is how Social Security and Medicare are out of money. They wouldn't be out of money at all if their deadbeat borrowers would repay their debt.

Funny how when we're talking about homeowners facing foreclosure it's all the borrower's fault and they should be made to pay up...
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

Gaspar

Nickel and Dime and Nickel and Dime.   ::)

That's how the libs have always done it.
When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

Red Arrow

Quote from: Gaspar on May 10, 2011, 10:22:40 AM
Nickel and Dime and Nickel and Dime.   ::)

That's how the libs have always done it.

Dime & quarter

Inflation at your service
 

nathanm

Quote from: Gaspar on May 10, 2011, 10:22:40 AM
Nickel and Dime and Nickel and Dime.   ::)

That's how the libs have always done it.
Do you just have idiotic sayings that you paste randomly from a Word document without bothering to read the post you're responding to?

Deadbeat.
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

Gaspar

Quote from: nathanm on May 10, 2011, 10:50:13 AM
Do you just have idiotic sayings that you paste randomly from a Word document without bothering to read the post you're responding to?

Deadbeat.

Your response is so sad.   :(

You ok today?
When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

nathanm

Quote from: Gaspar on May 10, 2011, 11:53:31 AM
Your response is so sad.   :(

You ok today?
I'm sad that there are so many deadbeats who refuse to pay their debts.
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

Conan71

"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

nathanm

"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

guido911

#355
Quote from: nathanm on May 10, 2011, 09:38:24 AM
Still thinking about it?

Guido, you asked earlier how it is you and the other high income earners owe the rest of us a tax increase? Let's think about that for a minute. Since the mid-80s, surpluses in payroll tax collections have been used to provide tax cuts for the top brackets. Those tax cuts were paid for with borrowed money. Now that it's time to repay, all we hear about is how Social Security and Medicare are out of money. They wouldn't be out of money at all if their deadbeat borrowers would repay their debt.

Funny how when we're talking about homeowners facing foreclosure it's all the borrower's fault and they should be made to pay up...

So now the wealthy today are deadbeats because of something that began in the 1980s? Me thinks someone is a bit low on the Thorazine. Incidentally, in that decade, I was in high school and then the military. Not exactly making a fortune during that decade.

Everyone: This is what wealth envy looks like.
Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

nathanm

Quote from: guido911 on May 10, 2011, 03:32:34 PM
So now the wealthy today are deadbeats because of something that began in the 1980s? Me thinks someone is a bit low on the Thorazine. Incidentally, in that decade, I was in high school and then the military. Not exactly making a fortune during that decade.

What does it matter when it began? You're still benefiting from that deal.

Deadbeat.
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

guido911

Quote from: nathanm on May 10, 2011, 04:31:45 PM
What does it matter when it began? You're still benefiting from that deal.

Deadbeat.

You are so full of FAIL in this thread, and probably at life in general, that your opinions have officially achieved JOKE status. 

But please, keep calling me a deadbeat. Because being called that by a bottom feeder who will always be a bottom feeder is freakin hilarious.
Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

Gaspar

Everyone breathe. . .

Debate always ends with growth or name calling.  Either way the loser is obvious.



When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

guido911

Quote from: Gaspar on May 10, 2011, 04:48:11 PM
Everyone breathe. . .

Debate always ends with growth or name calling.  Either way the loser is obvious.





Sorry Gasman, but you helped a bit getting us to this point.
Someone get Hoss a pacifier.