Leon Panetta Said What?

[guido911]

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/42880435/ns/world_news-south_and_central_asia/

[we vs us]

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/42880435/ns/world_news-south_and_central_asia/

'Panetta, who in a 2009 CIA confirmation hearing declared "waterboarding is torture and it's wrong," said Tuesday that debate about its use will continue.

"Whether we would have gotten the same information through other approaches I think is always gonna be an open question," Panetta said.'

I don't think he's wrong about either thing. 

[Teatownclown]

Company line, Guido?

[guido911]

'Panetta, who in a 2009 CIA confirmation hearing declared "waterboarding is torture and it's wrong," said Tuesday that debate about its use will continue.

"Whether we would have gotten the same information through other approaches I think is always gonna be an open question," Panetta said.'

I don't think he's wrong about either thing. 

Neither do I. I just find it interesting how these techniques could have worked given its controversy.

[nathanm]

Interestingly, Rumsfeld said that this information wasn't likely obtained with torture.

[guido911]

Interestingly, Rumsfeld said that this information wasn't likely obtained with torture.

So a "righty" denies and a "lefty" kinda confirms? Countdown to attack on Obama and Panetta from the left in this forum for using possible torture-induced evidence to begin: 3...2...1

edited. Rummy getting some left wing love in here.

[Conan71]

Interestingly, Rumsfeld said that this information wasn't likely obtained with torture.

Rummy has been out of the loop for what, four years now?  How would he know?  He and Cheney need to follow their former boss' example and stay the love out of the current admin's business unless they are asked for their help or opinion by the administration.

Water boarding was always a red herring, just another way for the left to express outrage at President Bush.

Just funny, things like rendition, Patriot Act, Gitmo, stepping up the number of boots on the ground in Afghanistan all things the left criticized President Bush for have all been used under the current admin.  Wonder how they like their chump change.

[Teatownclown]

U.S. Refusal of 2001 Taliban Offer Gave bin Laden a Free Pass

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/05/03-6

Lest we forget:

This was the FIRST time Bush let bin Laden get away. Tora Bora was the second...that we know about.

Once MAY have been incompetence - but twice?

[Conan71]

U.S. Refusal of 2001 Taliban Offer Gave bin Laden a Free Pass

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/05/03-6

Lest we forget:

This was the FIRST time Bush let bin Laden get away. Tora Bora was the second...that we know about.

Once MAY have been incompetence - but twice?

Bullshit, this was a kangaroo court and the offer from the Taliban was a pure mockery.

"The last Taliban foreign minister, Wakil Ahmed Muttawakil, offered at a secret meeting in Islamabad Oct. 15, 2001 to put bin Laden in the custody of the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC), to be tried for the 9/11 terror attacks on the United States, Muttawakil told IPS in an interview in Kabul last year.

The OIC is a moderate, Saudi-based organisation representing all Islamic countries. A trial of bin Laden by judges from OIC member countries might have dealt a more serious blow to al Qaeda's Islamic credentials than anything the United States would have done with bin Laden."

[Teatownclown]

I thought you wingers would feast on my linkage. The reason why America doesn't 'trust' international courts is because we are so busy breaking international laws, and would be subject to them.

Shouldn't you watch your language?

[Red Arrow]

The reason why America doesn't 'trust' international courts is because we are so busy breaking international laws, and would be subject to them.

Know of any countries that do obey them?

[Teatownclown]

Good point.

[nathanm]

Water boarding was always a red herring, just another way for the left to express outrage at President Bush.

Just funny, things like rendition, Patriot Act, Gitmo, stepping up the number of boots on the ground in Afghanistan all things the left criticized President Bush for have all been used under the current admin.  Wonder how they like their chump change.

Yeah, torture is a red herring. 

For what it's worth, there's a lot of people attacking Obama from the left on exactly those issues you bring up.

[dbacks fan]

Interestingly, Rumsfeld said that this information wasn't likely obtained with torture.

You trust what this little beady eyed weasel says?

[nathanm]

You trust what this little beady eyed weasel says?

Not really, I just thought it was interesting.