More ABLE silliness...

[Hoss]

Looks like enough people spoke up about it..from their Facebook site:

GREAT NEWS Oklahoma!!!!!! Due to the voice of all of you and others this festival will take place just as planned. BIG thanks goes out to the Oklahoma regional food bank and the ABLE commission and TapWerks for helping to make this event possible!!!"

[Conan71]

Sure someone isn't dreaming ABLE never seems to do anything practical nor fun.

[dbacks fan]

Did I just hear sound of people fainting? ABLE bent the rules? Am I on Candid Camera?

[Hoss]

Sorry for a bit of thread drift here (I'm allowed, I started the thread LOL), but Scott and I were on a Newson6 live chat last week where there were some really spirited debaters as it regards the law changing.  The news piece wound up being done, with smaller liquor stores and distributors complaining the most about how it would hurt their business and how it's bad to make strong beer more easily available to minors if it were sold in the liquor stores.  I said if kids could get it fairly easy when I was 19, what's stopping them now?

A compromise for me would be this:

Continue the same format for where strong beer is sold, with four modifications:

1.  Allow liquor stores to refrigerate their beers.  As it stands now, some brewers won't ship to Oklahoma (Fat Tire) because they don't refrigerate.
2.  Allow sales on Sunday, even if it's noon to six pm.
3.  Allow expanded hours Monday-Saturday, to at least the same time the bars close (2am).  Just never makes sense to allow Oklahomans to drink in a bar until 2am and not be able to buy in the stores or liquor stores.  I'm sure then the bar lobby will start complaining, but hey..
4.  Allow children of patrons to come in.  Why do we treat liquor stores like adult book stores in this state?

[DolfanBob]

I really dont care about all the liquor store concerns or wine being sold in the grocery stores, time limits on purchases, cold Jack Daniels or little Timmy standing next to me as I get my hammer juice.

I want all the 3.2 puke beer done away with. i.e. Bud, Coors, Busch etc. etc.
Hell I dont even care if Mom and Pop sell it hot in their ABLE protected business.
Our State is not known for the other little goofy liquor laws that we argue over and lump together with this problem as to keep it from happening.
Matt Dillon even made a reference to it in the movie TEX. How embarrassing.

Someone please explain to me again how I can go and buy a cold Heineken at the grocery store and then turn around and go buy a stronger one hot at the liquor store. But yet I can not do that with the above mentioned brands.
Problem being is you always want something worse, that you cant have.

[rdj]

Even parts of Dallas are dry, or so I've heard.

The "dry" or "wet" isn't necessarily decided by county boundaries but by the Justice of the Peace boundaries.  As a result you had pockets of the metroplex that were dry.  As an example, Irving was dry, which didn't seem to hurt the Cowboys...  The citizens voted last year to make the entire county wet.  The biggest donor to the PAC fighting the referendum?  Liquor stores.  Oh the irony!  They knew they'd lose business if a liquor store could now open across the street.  Capitalism and democracy at work.

[TheTed]

This thread makes me want to save all my out of state liquor store receipts for a year, copy them and mail them to ABLE, my elected representatives, the governor and the liquor store cabal along with a photo of my middle finger.

[nathanm]

Someone please explain to me again how I can go and buy a cold Heineken at the grocery store and then turn around and go buy a stronger one hot at the liquor store. But yet I can not do that with the above mentioned brands.
Problem being is you always want something worse, that you cant have.

Easy, the big breweries know their beer doesn't taste very good cold, much less warm, so they refuse to sell beer to establishments that can't keep it cold. And the liquor stores can't sell 3.2 because they can only sell intoxicating liquor here. It was so awful being exposed to the liquor store's outrageous pricing on Coca-Cola, Pineapple Juice, and other mixers when I lived in Arkansas. Almost as bad as going to Missouri and buying Patron in a gas station.

Some people claim that the breweries will only sell one kind of beer in a given state, but that's not accurate. Colorado, to use one example, gets strong in liquor stores and 3.2 in C-Stores. Stupidly, liquor stores can't buy 3.2 on their liquor license. It makes programming route sales handhelds that have to work in multiple states a rather interesting project. I'm just glad I was only doing 5 states and not 50.

[TheTed]

Some people claim that the breweries will only sell one kind of beer in a given state, but that's not accurate. Colorado, to use one example, gets strong in liquor stores and 3.2 in C-Stores. Stupidly, liquor stores can't buy 3.2 on their liquor license. It makes programming route sales handhelds that have to work in multiple states a rather interesting project. I'm just glad I was only doing 5 states and not 50.

I think Kansas is the same. 3.2 in gas stations, full strength in liquor stores. I don't care about grocery store sales, and I'm not sure why people are focused on that. Just allow liquor stores to sell regular beer cold and for more reasonable hours. That would seem to be an easier sell to the liquor store mafia, wouldn't it? They'd make more money, as people like me wouldn't have to go out of state to get a lot of the decent craft brews.

[Conan71]

This thread makes me want to save all my out of state liquor store receipts for a year, copy them and mail them to ABLE, my elected representatives, the governor and the liquor store cabal along with a photo of my middle finger.

Do it anonymously, otherwise I'm sure some a**hole at ABLE would have you arrested for bootlegging.

[Townsend]

Do it anonymously, otherwise I'm sure some a**hole at ABLE would have you arrested for bootlegging.

Woops, I wouldn't answer that knock on your door this evening.

[custosnox]

I think Kansas is the same. 3.2 in gas stations, full strength in liquor stores. I don't care about grocery store sales, and I'm not sure why people are focused on that. Just allow liquor stores to sell regular beer cold and for more reasonable hours. That would seem to be an easier sell to the liquor store mafia, wouldn't it? They'd make more money, as people like me wouldn't have to go out of state to get a lot of the decent craft brews.

The thing with Grocery store sales are those that would like to pick up a bottle of wine while shopping for dinner.  I like the way they have it down in New Mexico, where they liquor is in a completely seperate section of the store, more like a liquor store inside the store.  I could live with that kind of set up, as long as this whole idea of not being able to sell high point beer cold goes away and you can buy a corkscrew in the same spote as the wine.

[Conan71]

The thing with Grocery store sales are those that would like to pick up a bottle of wine while shopping for dinner.  I like the way they have it down in New Mexico, where they liquor is in a completely seperate section of the store, more like a liquor store inside the store.  I could live with that kind of set up, as long as this whole idea of not being able to sell high point beer goes away and you can buy a corkscrew in the same spote as the wine.

There's a lot more about New Mexico which makes better sense than Oklahoma to me, but I digress.

[Red Arrow]

Do it anonymously, otherwise I'm sure some a**hole at ABLE would have you arrested for bootlegging.

He didn't actually say he brought the beverages back to Oklahoma.  It's possible he went to the other states, drank there, stayed for a while and then returned sober to Oklahoma with a pocket full of receipts.

Possible but not very probable.

[custosnox]

He didn't actually say he brought the beverages back to Oklahoma.  It's possible he went to the other states, drank there, stayed for a while and then returned sober to Oklahoma with a pocket full of receipts.

Possible but not very probable.

Or he could have brought it back one liter at a time for personal use