Should public schools really be doing this?

[guido911]

So do a lot of other parents that couldn't go $30K under any circumstances.  I believe the public school system is vital to our nation and needs to be repaired.  Everyone benefits in the end from an educated population. 

My grandfather worked in the coal mines when he first came to this country.  He took ICS courses and became a tool and die maker.  He did well enough to let dad and his brothers live free at home while they worked their way through college.  My dad was able to pay 1/2 of my college and a good chunk of my brother's and sister's college expenses.  (I have airplanes instead of kids.)  Let's fix the public schools so some other kids have a shot at not being a burden on society.  They can become taxpayers instead of tax burdens and you won't have to pay as much taxes as the tax burden would be distributed among more payers.

Some of them might even grow up to be conservatives. 

Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with the need for public schools. I just don't want to keep throwing money at a broken system.

[ZYX]

I spend roughly $30K/yr to educate my children in a private school and thousands more in tutors/fees etc. because I do not trust the public school system to properly and competently do its job. I'm tapped out. How much do you kick in?

That is a choice for you to spend that much on school. My family cannot afford private school, it is not a choice for us. I and my siblings must attend public school after kindergarten. My mom even teaches at a private school, which after kindergarten, I had to cease attending, because it was too expensive. That is with the discount we recieve. So yeah, you should have to pay for my school even if your kids do not attend it. Because we cannot afford to pay $4000-$5000 a year for school without cutting back in other areas. Spreading the extra costs out over thousands of people lessens the burden on public school families, and doesn't create one for anyone else.

[Red Arrow]

I just don't want to keep throwing money at a broken system.

I don't want to throw money at a broken anything.  Somehow it needs to be fixed.  I don't know how to fix it but I am reasonably sure that pulling money away and giving it to private schools (vouchers) is NOT the answer.

I'm glad for you that you can give your kids the finest.  We all need to make sure every kid gets something acceptable.

[guido911]

I don't want to throw money at a broken anything.  Somehow it needs to be fixed.  I don't know how to fix it but I am reasonably sure that pulling money away and giving it to private schools (vouchers) is NOT the answer.

I think you and I have had this discussion/disagreement on vouchers already. That's okay.

[guido911]

That is a choice for you to spend that much on school. My family cannot afford private school, it is not a choice for us. I and my siblings must attend public school after kindergarten. My mom even teaches at a private school, which after kindergarten, I had to cease attending, because it was too expensive. That is with the discount we recieve. So yeah, you should have to pay for my school even if your kids do not attend it. Because we cannot afford to pay $4000-$5000 a year for school without cutting back in other areas. Spreading the extra costs out over thousands of people lessens the burden on public school families, and doesn't create one for anyone else.

Could you explain why I "should have to pay for [your] school even if [my] kids do not attend it"? As I read your post, you sounded as if I should pay for it just because your family cannot afford private school.

[ZYX]

Could you explain why I "should have to pay for [your] school even if [my] kids do not attend it"? As I read your post, you sounded as if I should pay for it just because your family cannot afford private school.

No, but you shouldn't be exempt from certain taxes just because your children do not attend public school. If you are unhappy that you still have to help fund public schools even with your kids in private, then you sir need to lower your ego. If all the people with children in private schools suddenly recieved a tax break, then the schools would be forced to majorly cut back or close. In that case, 75% of children would not recieve an education. Which would you prefer, paying a few extra dollars a year, or saving that money and living in what would become a third world country?

[Red Arrow]

Could you explain why I "should have to pay for [your] school even if [my] kids do not attend it"?

Because in the long run, it's good for both you and your kids.  JMO, and probably a few others.

[guido911]

No, but you shouldn't be exempt from certain taxes just because your children do not attend public school. If you are unhappy that you still have to help fund public schools even with your kids in private, then you sir need to lower your ego. If all the people with children in private schools suddenly recieved a tax break, then the schools would be forced to majorly cut back or close. In that case, 75% of children would not recieve an education. Which would you prefer, paying a few extra dollars a year, or saving that money and living in what would become a third world country?

Are you presently paying any dollars to educate other people's children? If not, kindly close your noise hole.  And where do you get the idea that my opinions about tax policy or paying for public education is ego-driven? In my opinion, our public school system is nothing but a corrupt and hopelessly broken cartel. What it needs is a competitor and viable alternative to force these failures to improve or face extinction. Period.

[guido911]

Because in the long run, it's good for both you and your kids.  JMO, and probably a few others.

I know that. But in reading his post, he made is sound like I somehow owed him an education because he cannot afford a private education.

[heironymouspasparagus]

My number one hope and prayer is that guido's kids don't become burnout shells from the pressure.



(ZYX;  you forgot that guido IS special.  And SHOULD be exempt from what applies to the rest of us.)

[Red Arrow]

I know that. But in reading his post, he made is sound like I somehow owed him an education because he cannot afford a private education.

He is prone to a bit of exaggeration as most of us can occasionally be.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Hey!  Red, don't leave me out on that!!

[Red Arrow]

Hey!  Red, don't leave me out on that!!

I think I included you when I said "most of us".  I was trying to think of someone who didn't but figured there might be someone.  Certainly not you.

[guido911]

My number one hope and prayer is that guido's kids don't become burnout shells from the pressure.



(ZYX;  you forgot that guido IS special.  And SHOULD be exempt from what applies to the rest of us.)

What "pressure" are you referring to? Oh, that's right, I forgot that you know more about me and my family than I do. And get over your dooshy suggestion that I want to be treated differently than others. If I were like you and others in your place, I would pay the same in taxes. Do you pay the same rate or amount of tax as I do?

Right now, I have to pay to educate my children because our public schools SUCK, as well as pay to educate other people's kids in a SUCKY school system. Now, if you have any suggestions to improve the situation, or if you think that competition in education is a bad thing, I am listening. Otherwise, go troll another thread.

[guido911]

He is prone to a bit of exaggeration as most of us can occasionally be.

Perhaps. I think this is the young man that is still in school in Bixby. I really do care about the education (and overall well-being) of all children because they live in an environment not of their choosing and they can do little to change it. Our public schools are FAILING our kids, and it pisses me off that my money is feeding that b~tch.