Nobody Knows, Nobody Cares

[Teatownclown]

DOWNWIND WE BE!

http://act.credoaction.com/campaign/sunflower_kdhe/

"Tell Attorney General Derek Schmidt to launch a corruption and misconduct investigation into the permitting process for the dirty Holcomb coal plant."
Oklahoma's government is a bunch of morons and the proof lies in the fact they are doing nothing to protect us from dirty air.

[Conan71]

Not in the summer, besides, Holcomb is way out west, nothing but steers & queers out there.

And as far as our state not looking out for our air quality, Chesapeake Energy strongarmed the corporation commission the State of Oklahoma shot down the new coal fired plant out near Ponca City a few years back.

[Teatownclown]

Not in the summer, besides, Holcomb is way out west, nothing but steers & queers out there.

And as far as our state not looking out for our air quality, Chesapeake Energy strongarmed the corporation commission the State of Oklahoma shot down the new coal fired plant out near Ponca City a few years back.

You don't think the jet stream will blow it down here? WRONG.

[Conan71]

The State of Oklahoma does not have sovereignty over the State of Kansas, so why does this make the State of Oklahoma a bunch of morons?  I'm simply not following. 

This becomes a Federal EPA permitting issue beyond that.

While you are at it, see if you can get rid of the beef packing industry in Dodge and Garden, that's a lot of greenhouse gasses being pushed down this way by the jet stream.

[Teatownclown]

Couldn't our AG do something? The State of Oklahoma needs to be proactive and get the EPA involved...wait a minute. You're right. Inhofe, Sullivan, Cole, Coburn, Boren...never mind. And Dreamer, I don't mind the smell from manure. Never seems to bother my lungs like smog does.

[Conan71]

Couldn't our AG do something? The State of Oklahoma needs to be proactive and get the EPA involved...wait a minute. You're right. Inhofe, Sullivan, Cole, Coburn, Boren...never mind. And Dreamer, I don't mind the smell from manure. Never seems to bother my lungs like smog does.

It's possible, considering Edomonson's poultry suit as an example.  If it's of concern, I'd suggest a call, email, or letter to AG Pruitt's office.  I'm still not sure though that if a neighboring state has different air standards whether or not there's a basis to file suit unless it can be proved it does not meet federal air quality standards.

I've worked with the permitting process before and I've got a project in Wyoming on hold right now dealing with the Wyoming DEQ, so I've got some experience in how these things work.  States can set their own air quality limits so long as they are not less lax than US EPA guidelines.  There are some exceptions in non-attainment areas where the EPA has mandated ultra low emissions from combustion which would supercede state law.

I read the KC Star article and there seems to be some unnecessary hand-wringing over the "cozy" relationship between Sunflower and the Ks. DEQ.  The applicant typically is charged with answering the concerns and questions to the regulating authority and it's not at all unusual for an applicant to become pretty familiar or be on a friendly basis with the regulating agency as it's a long process, whether it's a large power plant or small asphalt transfer terminal.  For some reason this was interpreted as being nefarious when the answers they speak of were quite likely issued by environmental engineers who would have been hired by Sunflower to aid with the permitting process.  Yes the enviro engineers are paid by the applicant, however, they have to ensure that any and all equipment which is proposed to be installed MUST meet local, state, and federal standards.

Personally, it doesn't sound like the additional capacity is needed right now and wind farms could be very viable out there.

[patric]

You don't think the jet stream will blow it down here?

The jet stream is a hoax....

[Hoss]

The jet stream is a hoax....

Try telling that to the jets...

[Conan71]

Try telling that to the jets...

Jets? Why is it always the damn Jets and not the Giants?

[Townsend]

Jets? Why is it always the damn Jets and not the Giants?

Those of us from New Jersey are happy to have them both.  NY can suck East River water.

[Red Arrow]

I don't mind the smell from manure.

I think that helps explain a lot.

[Teatownclown]

Another tragedy slowly evolving into a nightmare....anyone here own property near this tar creek runoff? Filthy. I'll always cherish my Grand Lake memories before it decayed.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20110625/us_ac/8696821_the_american_police_state_is_the_new_normal

Algae found in water at Grand Lake may be dangerousDEQ issues Grand Lake algae warning
By RANDY KREHBIEL World Staff Writer
Published: 6/25/2011  2:08 AM
Last Modified: 6/25/2011  5:16 AM

BERNICE - The presence of a potentially dangerous algae caused the Oklahoma Department of Environmental Quality to warn people away from the water at Bernice State Park on Grand Lake on Friday until further notice.

The DEQ issued the warning after tests by the Grand River Dam Authority's water lab confirmed cyanobacteria - commonly known as blue-green algae - in the waters near the park and in portions of Horse Creek and Duck Creek.

Blue-green algae are microscopic organisms that are naturally present in lakes and streams. Most are relatively benign, but some blue-green algae blooms produce toxins capable of causing stomach cramps, diarrhea, vomiting, headache, fever, muscle weakness and difficulty breathing.

The algae grow rapidly in shallow water that is subject to bright sun.

Results of tests to determine the toxin level of the blue-green algae at Bernice will not be available until next week, authorities said.

"In the interest of public safety, we are just asking lake users to be careful and vigilant," said GRDA Corporate Communications Director Justin Alberty. "Our Ecosystems Department's monitoring efforts are ongoing, but we ask for the public's help in that regard. If you see areas of the lake where you believe blue-green algae is present, please contact GRDA."

Blue-green algae might look like thick pea soup, green paint, or bluish, brownish or reddish-green paint. When it washes up on shore, it may appear to look like a thick green mat that falls apart when handled.

The more common green algae are stringy and made up of grass-green strands. Green algae are harmless.

Anyone spotting blue-green algae is encouraged to contact the GRDA Ecosystems Department at 918-256-0723, jjaggars@grda.com, or the DEQ at 800-522-0206.

[Gaspar]

Grand is about 90% beer pi$$.

[AquaMan]

Exceeded only by the Illinois River. They ought to allow them to float flags with their brand names on the river or at least sell the naming rights to Budweiser.

[Conan71]

Another tragedy slowly evolving into a nightmare....anyone here own property near this tar creek runoff? Filthy. I'll always cherish my Grand Lake memories before it decayed.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20110625/us_ac/8696821_the_american_police_state_is_the_new_normal

Algae found in water at Grand Lake may be dangerousDEQ issues Grand Lake algae warning
By RANDY KREHBIEL World Staff Writer
Published: 6/25/2011  2:08 AM
Last Modified: 6/25/2011  5:16 AM

BERNICE - The presence of a potentially dangerous algae caused the Oklahoma Department of Environmental Quality to warn people away from the water at Bernice State Park on Grand Lake on Friday until further notice.

The DEQ issued the warning after tests by the Grand River Dam Authority's water lab confirmed cyanobacteria - commonly known as blue-green algae - in the waters near the park and in portions of Horse Creek and Duck Creek.

Blue-green algae are microscopic organisms that are naturally present in lakes and streams. Most are relatively benign, but some blue-green algae blooms produce toxins capable of causing stomach cramps, diarrhea, vomiting, headache, fever, muscle weakness and difficulty breathing.

The algae grow rapidly in shallow water that is subject to bright sun.

Results of tests to determine the toxin level of the blue-green algae at Bernice will not be available until next week, authorities said.

"In the interest of public safety, we are just asking lake users to be careful and vigilant," said GRDA Corporate Communications Director Justin Alberty. "Our Ecosystems Department's monitoring efforts are ongoing, but we ask for the public's help in that regard. If you see areas of the lake where you believe blue-green algae is present, please contact GRDA."

Blue-green algae might look like thick pea soup, green paint, or bluish, brownish or reddish-green paint. When it washes up on shore, it may appear to look like a thick green mat that falls apart when handled.

The more common green algae are stringy and made up of grass-green strands. Green algae are harmless.

Anyone spotting blue-green algae is encouraged to contact the GRDA Ecosystems Department at 918-256-0723, jjaggars@grda.com, or the DEQ at 800-522-0206.

Lead and Zink run-off would have little to do with algae blooms.  If anything, heavy metals tend to kill microorganisms like that.  Chances are, there were a lot more toxins in the water up there 30-40 years ago.