Unemployment is the Best Way to Create Jobs

[Gaspar]

Did it ever occur to you that they could be interdependent, not independent?

No.  Because you can easily test it.

Show me commerce without government. . .easy!

Show me a government with no commerce. . .impossible!

I agree that government is in many cases necessary to protect the rights of the individual against force, but that makes it no less dependent. 

Government's natural tendency is to cultivate dependence in the individual.  Even when this is not the stated goals of government, this is its feral nature.  It is up to individuals to guard against this through law (constitution in our case) and constant vigilance.

Those ready to embrace government dependence at every offering are simply sick.  Like alcoholism, they are addicts, and if left untreated this becomes a family disease.

Government is very much like the poppy.  Very easy to grow, it can be beautiful and its sap has thousands of valuable therapeutic uses, but it is easy to abuse and almost impossible to recover from.

[Conan71]

I'll answer that... no, it did not.


The only way he can really avoid criticism is to actually propose something that does create jobs, like taking steps to drastically reduce energy costs, or spur private sector growth by removing the erected elements that are the foundation for the current uncertainty. 

As far as removing erected elements...well, they have been systematically removed and neutralized for the last 30 years to the point where we are now in the condition we find ourselves.  But I bet cutting taxes some more and getting rid of even more government regulation is bound to help....not!

Unless the goal is the continued degradation of the US economy.  Which is pretty much right on target to the RWRE.  To the RWRE, lower wages and standard of living are the solution.  To the real world, lower wages and standard of living is the problem.

Hey, if it hasn't worked for 30 years, it ain't gonna work!  (A lot like our "war on drugs" - the American "100 Years War".)

You obviously didn't see the graph posted in another topic which illustrates the whole raft of regulations implemented since 2000 and their attendant cost.

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... the whole raft of regulations implemented since 2000 and their attendant cost.

There you go, it's Bush's fault.

[heironymouspasparagus]

You obviously didn't see the graph posted in another topic which illustrates the whole raft of regulations implemented since 2000 and their attendant cost.

Like the ones that make it easier for a corporation to file for bankruptcy, pay huge bonuses to the people who ran it into the ground, then sell off the remains and put all the employees out on the street.  Never owe a penny to any creditor in the future.

And make it very much harder for an individual to file and discharge all their debts.  And still owe a large percentage of the debt.

Yeah - costly.  Just more of the same class warfare we have been seeing for several decades.  

[Gaspar]

Oh Yay!

CBO estimates that under current economic policy, the unemployment rate is expected to stay at +9% though 2012!

And with that:

[we vs us]

Oh Yay!

CBO estimates that under current economic policy, the unemployment rate is expected to stay at +9% though 2012!

I know, right?  I sure do wish the Republicans would hurry up and pass something that would stimulate growth . . . like maybe small business tax cuts or something! 

[Gaspar]

I know, right?  I sure do wish the Republicans would hurry up and pass something that would stimulate growth . . . like maybe small business tax cuts or something! 

Really?  The total count is now at 20 jobs bills stuck in the senate.
http://majorityleader.gov/JobsTracker/

[Townsend]

Really?  The total count is now at 20 jobs bills stuck in the senate.
http://majorityleader.gov/JobsTracker/

They're all very busy:

Congress Says Pizza Is a Vegetable

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2011/11/16/congress-says-pizza-is-a-vegetable.html

Congress put its own unique spin on the food pyramid this week, declaring that tomato sauce on pizza still counts as a serving of vegetables in school lunches. The decision—tacked onto an agriculture spending bill—squashes an almost yearlong campaign by the Agriculture Department to make school lunches healthier. The campaign had argued that the volume of tomato sauce—and thus the nutritional value—should be measured before it's mixed with water and spread on a slice of pizza. However, food companies lobbied Congress to the tune of $5.6 million to maintain the status quo.

[Gaspar]

They're all very busy:

Congress Says Pizza Is a Vegetable

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2011/11/16/congress-says-pizza-is-a-vegetable.html

Actually, that's kinda funny, because I had lunch at my daughter's school a couple of weeks ago and discovered that the "healthy" government meals they are receiving are the reason kids are fat!

On the menu was pizza or fried cheese sticks as a main course, and green jello or an apple as the fruit.  I asked the lunch lady about the vegetable choice and she said that the ketchup for the cheese sticks counted, as did the sauce on the pizza.  I opted not to bring up the fact that tomatoes are actually a fruit (gotta choose your battles).

[nathanm]

Since you brought back the thread from the dead, I give you commerce without government:







Oh, sorry, that last one is food aid to a country that lacks a government, not commerce.

[Gaspar]

Wow! Nate.

Here's a random picture of a guy with a mustache.

[nathanm]

Wow! Nate.

Here's a random picture of a guy with a mustache.

You're the one who wrote that commerce without government is easy.

[Gaspar]

You're the one who wrote that commerce without government is easy.

Actually I didn't write that, but OK.

Commerce does not require government, but government does require commerce, and will naturally grow to impede commerce because of the parasitic relationship.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Actually I didn't write that, but OK.

Commerce does not require government, but government does require commerce, and will naturally grow to impede commerce because of the parasitic relationship.

It would be amazing if you actually believed that...because of course, it simply isn't true as human history has shown for thousands of years.  The truck in the above picture is the classic example that was obviously missed.

But then it wouldn't be in the script to acknowledge reality.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Really?  The total count is now at 20 jobs bills stuck in the senate.
http://majorityleader.gov/JobsTracker/

But where are all those stellar results from the Bush era job bills??  And massive tax cuts - you remember those - the largest boon to the richest in the history of the world?

Yeah,...why are we stuck on 9% unemployment with all that has been done to stimulate and thrill small business AND large??