Income base numbers suggest Tulsa 'could' support NHL..

[RecycleMichael]

Many of the street improvements made in Oklahoma City were the result of several  "bond issues" in which property owners voted in from a period of 1995 through 2008.

You are allowed additional state funding when a community is spending its own money for street and infrastructure projects.

Tulsa passed a 400 million dollar bond issue just for streets. Didn't get Tulsa any more state road money.

I am not bashing OKC. I am bashing a state agency that funds their backyard and rural Oklahoma and not Tulsa.

[JDG78]

Hoss-You are trash and I am done... You argue my own point in your response.... either you are retarded or so stupid you can't keep straight which point you are arguing.... Keep on rocking in the free world... TRASH...

[dbacks fan]

Yyyeah, keep running in circles with your grudge, Hoss.  And to claim that a lot of the NBA player's income isn't spent in Oklahoma is blatantly wrong.  Especially since several NBA players have bought homes in OKC, not to mention people I know in OKC have either sold items to or have done custom jobs for the players that live in OKC during the NBA season.  Several live in OKC during the off season, with the exception of this year's NBA lockout.

Sure, players buy homes in the cities they play in, and yes, some live in those cities even during the off season. But some also own homes in their home states as well. And yes they pay property tax on the home they own in OKC, and yes they pay the usual utilities, and sales tax when they buy things, but unless they change their residence to OK, other than they games they play in OK they don't pay OK State income tax since they are contract employees. A similar situation happens in AZ every winter when the snowbirds arrive. Many own homes or condos, and pay property taxes etc etc, but since they are temporary residents the pay no income tax. They pay income tax in their state of residence. A lot of sports figures have their permanent state of residency in a state that has no state income tax. A lot of global sports figures have their permanent residency in Monaco because there is no income tax at all.

[Hoss]

Hoss-You are trash and I am done... You argue my own point in your response.... either you are retarded or so stupid you can't keep straight which point you are arguing.... Keep on rocking in the free world... TRASH...

Nice, can't take my opinion of your beloved OKC so you resort to name calling.  I'd expect that from a 10 year old.  Does your mommy know you're up late on the internet?

I'll also note that not once have you disputed what I'm saying with any facts to the contrary.

Good bye.

Tell everyone on OKCTalk hello.

[Oil Capital]

Sure, players buy homes in the cities they play in, and yes, some live in those cities even during the off season. But some also own homes in their home states as well. And yes they pay property tax on the home they own in OKC, and yes they pay the usual utilities, and sales tax when they buy things, but unless they change their residence to OK, other than they games they play in OK they don't pay OK State income tax since they are contract employees. A similar situation happens in AZ every winter when the snowbirds arrive. Many own homes or condos, and pay property taxes etc etc, but since they are temporary residents the pay no income tax. They pay income tax in their state of residence. A lot of sports figures have their permanent state of residency in a state that has no state income tax. A lot of global sports figures have their permanent residency in Monaco because there is no income tax at all.

You misunderstand the income tax system.  States tax income that is earned within their borders; i.e., taxes are paid where the income is earned/"work" is performed.  Thus, in the case of professional athletes, they pay income taxes in each state where they perform work/play games.  It does not matter where they claim their residence.


The snowbirds are in a different situation. They are being taxed not on wages, salaries and tips, which would be taxed by the state in which the work is performed regardless of residence, but on interest, dividends and other investment income, which are taxed by the state of residence.

[les_stockton]

The state would be flush.

[Red Arrow]

You misunderstand the income tax system.  States tax income that is earned within their borders; i.e., taxes are paid where the income is earned/"work" is performed.  Thus, in the case of professional athletes, they pay income taxes in each state where they perform work/play games.  It does not matter where they claim their residence.


The snowbirds are in a different situation. They are being taxed not on wages, salaries and tips, which would be taxed by the state in which the work is performed regardless of residence, but on interest, dividends and other investment income, which are taxed by the state of residence.

If you live in OK and work in another state, OK wants income tax unless the state where you work has an equal or higher income tax.  I don't remember the details about how much.

[Laramie]

If you live in OK and work in another state, OK wants income tax unless the state where you work has an equal or higher income tax.  I don't remember the details about how much.

I've lived in both and paid income tax in Oklahoma.

[Oil Capital]

If you live in OK and work in another state, OK wants income tax unless the state where you work has an equal or higher income tax.  I don't remember the details about how much.

That is correct.  Good catch.  The state where the work is performed gets the first crack at taxing the income; the state of residence gets the "leftovers", if any.

[TulsaRufnex]

...another bone I have to pick with OKC was back a decade ago when both Tulsa and OKC/Edmond were in the running for an expansion team in Major League Soccer...... Express Sports/Bob Funk/Brad Lund used the proposed taxpayer funds for renovations and expansion of UCO's Wantland Stadium as a centerpiece for their plan... former Mayor LaFortune had the daunting task of proposing either a soccer-specific stadium fully funded by Vision 2025 or a locally financed TIF district in downtown's East Village (East End)... the mayor's office made some lobbying efforts for state STARbonds or an "enterprise zone" but those ideas were DOA at the state capitol... funny dat.

[Laramie]

...another bone I have to pick with OKC was back a decade ago when both Tulsa and OKC/Edmond were in the running for an expansion team in Major League Soccer...... Express Sports/Bob Funk/Brad Lund used the proposed taxpayer funds for renovations and expansion of UCO's Wantland Stadium as a centerpiece for their plan... former Mayor LaFortune had the daunting task of proposing either a soccer-specific stadium fully funded by Vision 2025 or a locally financed TIF district in downtown's East Village (East End)... the mayor's office made some lobbying efforts for state STARbonds or an "enterprise zone" but those ideas were DOA at the state capitol... funny dat.

Wantland Stadium deal with Funk did not go through!  The current renovations had nothing to do with the MLS. 

[TulsaRufnex]

Wantland Stadium deal with Funk did not go through!  The current renovations had nothing to do with the MLS.  

Per usual, Laramie, you miss the point.... those proposed UCO renovations were used by Lund/Funk in an attempt to lure MLS to OKC over Tulsa... which also meant any political lobbying efforts in OKC by Tulsa's mayor LaFortune for any state tax credits for a Tulsa area enterprise zone or starbonds were dead in the water.... the state of Missouri passed $30mil in tax breaks for the failed effort to build KC's stadium at the old Bannister Mall.... and the new soccer specific MLS stadium that opened this year in Wynadotte County KS would never have been built without assistance from the state of Kansas who okay'd a pre-existing state tax increment finance zone...

Let me know if anything like that happens in Tulsa, because it'd be the... FIRST. TIME. EVER.   

[heironymouspasparagus]

Les, I care not if he calls me a hater.  You know me well; I don't care what other people think of me.  If the city of OKC seeks validation, they shouldn't look toward me, or many up here, especially with the way their politics work.  Let's keep in mind this is a city that essentially stole the state capitol from another city.

And since you went down that path...the entire existence of the state is based on the theft of the entire state from the people who it was "given" to.  The terms "Boomers" and "Sooners" are both redefined from their original derogatory meaning derived from the fact that they were criminals under Federal law.  They placed their own 'definition' on the term 'unassigned lands'.  Wow!  Just occurred to me that it sounds a lot like the RWRE of today!  Redefine the term and repeat it enough and it actually starts to mean something.  And it took Orwell another 60 years after the land grab to document the concept!


Reference for those who have no sense or knowledge of history;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sooners

[les_stockton]

And since you went down that path...the entire existence of the state is based on the theft of the entire state from the people who it was "given" to.  The terms "Boomers" and "Sooners" are both redefined from their original derogatory meaning derived from the fact that they were criminals under Federal law.  They placed their own 'definition' on the term 'unassigned lands'.  Wow!  Just occurred to me that it sounds a lot like the RWRE of today!  Redefine the term and repeat it enough and it actually starts to mean something.  And it took Orwell another 60 years after the land grab to document the concept!


Reference for those who have no sense or knowledge of history;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sooners

My Native American heritage side causes me not to care about Boomer Sooner.  I live where I live, in an area of Oklahoma set aside for my tribe anyway.  And our native lands were actually stolen from us when we were forced to leave on the Trail of Tears to what is now Oklahoma.

So what.  It still boils down to any time there's some advantage to be had, OKC gets it.  Tulsa gets left out.

[Breadburner]

The Indian and tribe talk cracks me up.....