Obama's Foreign Policy

[Hoss]

That's a good point, but not that important.  Our relationship difficulties with Arab nations is not due to race.  It is do the philosophical differences.

You do realize there are some Arabs that are Christians, correct?

[Teatownclown]

you boyz sure aren't in the mood to destroy Potus Obama today....

Why don't you start a new thread and title it "Blues for Allah?"

singed thread...

[Gaspar]

you boyz sure aren't in the mood to destroy Potus Obama today....

Why don't you start a new thread and title it "Blues for Allah?"

singed thread...

Funny. . .I was floating around the pool yesterday listening to that.   

[swake]

You do realize there are some Arabs that are Christians, correct?

And that Iranians are NOT Arab? Nor are most Muslims.

[Hoss]

And that Iranians are NOT Arab? Nor are most Muslims.

That was my point...what I've been talking about all thread.  The generalizations that are made regarding people of Muslim faith.  The majority of Muslims from my understanding come from Indonesia, with Pakistan being second.

[Red Arrow]

I'm still amazed that through all that, we're still confusing Arabs with Muslims.  Can we all go back and read our wikipedia entries again?

Not all Arabs are Muslim.  Not all Muslims are Arabs. 

What percentage of Arabs are Muslim?

[Conan71]

 


Not all Arabs are Muslim.  Not all Muslims are Arabs. 

What percentage of Arabs are Muslim?

Netflix?

[Red Arrow]

Netflix?

No, an actual question.  I expect the percentage to be high but I don't know how high.

[swake]

That was my point...what I've been talking about all thread.  The generalizations that are made regarding people of Muslim faith.  The majority of Muslims from my understanding come from Indonesia, with Pakistan being second.

India and Bangladesh are then the next two largest after Indonesia and Pakistan. Egypt is the largest Arab nation but only has the fifth largest Muslim population world wide and the is the only Arab nation in the top eight nations with the largest Muslim populations. And Egypt is hardly some hard line Saudi style theocracy. 80% of Muslims are in fact not Arab. The only hard line Islamic state in the eight largest is Iran.

Again all of the five largest Muslim nations have elected female leaders, something that we have yet to do. That is directly in conflict with Gasp's idea that all Muslim nations treat women just like the Taliban and the Saudi's do. The Taliban are a small and hated rebel group in two countries and Saudi Arabia only has the 16th largest Muslim population.

You don't believe me?

The percentage of Pakistani's with a positive view of the Taliban? 4%
http://www.gallup.com/poll/126602/taliban-increasingly-unpopular-pakistan.aspx

The percentage of Afghan's with a positive view of the Taliban? 10%
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/01/11/world/main6082241.shtml

[Conan71]

India and Bangladesh are then the next two largest after Indonesia and Pakistan. Egypt is the largest Arab nation but only has the fifth largest Muslim population world wide and the is the only Arab nation in the top eight nations with the largest Muslim populations. And Egypt is hardly some hard line Saudi style theocracy. 80% of Muslims are in fact not Arab. The only hard line Islamic state in the eight largest is Iran.

Again all of the five largest Muslim nations have elected female leaders, something that we have yet to do. That is directly in conflict with Gasp's idea that all Muslim nations treat women just like the Taliban and the Saudi's do. The Taliban are a small and hated rebel group in two countries and Saudi Arabia only has the 16th largest Muslim population.

You don't believe me?

The percentage of Pakistani's with a positive view of the Taliban? 4%
http://www.gallup.com/poll/126602/taliban-increasingly-unpopular-pakistan.aspx

The percentage of Afghan's with a positive view of the Taliban? 10%
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/01/11/world/main6082241.shtml

A true "Muslim" nation wouldn't elect a female leader.  Do you mean a country where Islam is the predominant religion?

Who cares if it's the largest or smallest Muslim state?  The idea that women or any human being is to be treated as livestock as per a religious belief and carried out via a theocracy is totally repugnant.

[Townsend]

The idea that women or any human being is to be treated as livestock as per a religious belief and carried out via a theocracy is totally repugnant.

OK, not sure what's going on with this thread now but, well, yes.

[nathanm]

Who cares if it's the largest or smallest Muslim state?  The idea that women or any human being is to be treated as livestock as per a religious belief and carried out via a theocracy is totally repugnant.

*cough* quiverfull *cough* dominionist *cough*

[Teatownclown]

ED!: The GOP only likes wars under Republican Presidents. (AWESOME REPORTING)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/44236332#44236332

The President can't be beat on the foreign policy issue come election time. I wonder if he's been briefed by intelligence about a terrorist attack and stopped it while avoiding any word leaking out. While I wish he'd get out of Afghanistan, something tells me he now knows why we have to be there for now and it's not about politics.

I can't believe he had the gall to go on vacation this week. We are so fortunate to have the Cheney/Bush mindset on permanent vacation. Of course, those two should be means tested for the federal welfare they receive for retirement.

[swake]

A true "Muslim" nation wouldn't elect a female leader.  Do you mean a country where Islam is the predominant religion?

Who cares if it's the largest or smallest Muslim state?  The idea that women or any human being is to be treated as livestock as per a religious belief and carried out via a theocracy is totally repugnant.

What do you mean a "true" Muslim nation? How is Saudi Arabia more Muslim than Turkey? Because Saudi Arabia's treatment of women is repugnant and that feeds our distorted impression of what Muslims are like? Both are very nearly 100% Muslim but Turkey has almost triple the population.

Most Americans, Gasp here specifically, like to treat Islam like it one big homogenous and like minded group. It's far from that. Most Muslims are not like the Saudis, by far most are not. The Saudis are Arab and their religion is Wahhabism, which is a sub sect of the sub sect Sunni Muslim. None of the five nations with the largest Muslim population are either Arab or Wahhabi. Though a lot of Pakistan's current problems rise out of Religious schools in poor areas paid for by Saudis who are Wahhabi.

Here are the specific five nations with the largest Muslim populations, note that this info is all from the CIA Factbook

1.   Republic of Indonesia, population 246 million, 86% Muslim. A republic without a Sharia law system
2.   Islamic Republic of Pakistan, population 187 million, 95% Muslim. The government is noted as having a common law system with Islamic law (Sharia) influence
3.   People's Republic of Bangladesh, population 159 million, 90% Muslim. The government is noted as being a parliamentary democracy with a mixed legal system of mostly English common law and Islamic law
4.   Republic of India, population 1.189 billion (13% Muslim which is about 159 million people). The judicial system is a common law system based on the English model; separate personal law codes apply to Muslims, Christians, and Hindus so there is some Sharia influence.
5.   Republic of Turkey, population 79 million, 99% Muslim. The government is a republican parliamentary democracy without a Sharia law system.


Every single one of these countries has elected a woman to lead their country, which is something the Saudis would never do, even if they were to have an election.  Something we have never come close to doing. Three of the five largest nations have some Sharia influence in their legal systems but still manage to allow women to be the leader of the whole nation.  Gaspar's broad strokes to paint the Muslim world as being Arab and Wahhabist like the Saudis or nuts like the Taliban is just plain wrong.

The strict application of Sharia, the mistreatment of women, the Taliban, Al Qaeda all have something in common and it's not Islam. Most if not all Islamic terrorists not involved with the Palestinian issue all have  that one thing in common too. It's Saudi Arabia. Whether it's Saudi money, Saudi paid for Wahhibi style schools or some combination thereof, all our problems don't seem to have Islam so much as the center of our troubles like Gasp keeps saying. Our problem is more specifically Saudi Arabia.

Why doesn't Faux News that likes to rail on Islam in general so much not talk more specifically about Saudi Arabia? It's a perfect target for them and there's some real basis in reality to attack the Saudis. Is it because the largest shareholder of Newscorp not named Murdoch is a prince from the Saudi royal family?

[TheArtist]

  Had never really thought of it that way. Thanks for the info swake.