Another stab at liquor law reform

[joiei]

If you want to see what a grocery store/big box store wine and beer selection looks like just go check out the selection at Costco. The prices might be cheaper by a dollar here and there. The selection was chosen because that is what moves. And they do not give case discounts. I can find better prices at Deep Discount on 51st.

[dbacksfan 2.0]

If you want to see what a grocery store/big box store wine and beer selection looks like just go check out the selection at Costco. The prices might be cheaper by a dollar here and there. The selection was chosen because that is what moves. And they do not give case discounts. I can find better prices at Deep Discount on 51st.

Check out Total Wine and BevMo.......

http://www.totalwine.com/

http://www.bevmo.com/

[Conan71]

One of the liquor store owners here intimated to me that there would be late night and Sunday sales. He may have been in error. It would surprise me knowing the nature of our "blue" laws that the rural communities would allow that. We don't even sell cars on Sunday's.

I've been in some places where they either have lockable cases when they are on "off" hours or the liquor and wine department might be in a separate, closed in area area which could be locked off much like the video rental or electronic sections would be when grocery stores still were doing a lot of that business.

[Red Arrow]

I've been in some places where they either have lockable cases when they are on "off" hours or the liquor and wine department might be in a separate, closed in area area which could be locked off much like the video rental or electronic sections would be when grocery stores still were doing a lot of that business.

If I remember correctly,  when I was in Uvalde, TX a few years ago, the H-E-B grocery store person told me I would have to wait until 10:00 (or whatever time it was on Sunday AM) to buy beer.  There wasn't any blockage of access to the aisle.

[Red Arrow]

If you want to see what a grocery store/big box store wine and beer selection looks like just go check out the selection at Costco. The prices might be cheaper by a dollar here and there. The selection was chosen because that is what moves. And they do not give case discounts. I can find better prices at Deep Discount on 51st.

I stopped in the "Costco" liquor store shortly after they opened. It was disappointing at best.  Dismal beer selection.  They had some wine and spirits but I don't buy much of  them so I didn't spend any real  time looking.

[Red Arrow]

You need to bring something to the table a grocery store does - selection, knowledge, customer service, price. Something.

I do not anticipate a grocery store bringing much in the way of selection, knowledge or customer service.

[cannon_fodder]

I do not anticipate a grocery store bringing much in the way of selection, knowledge or customer service.

I meant to say "something a grocery store does NOT..."

[Cats Cats Cats]

I meant to say "something a grocery store does NOT..."

Yeah.. except a lot of the liquor stores are trash. That's why they don't want to compete because they don't think they can.

[DTowner]

How will they handle late nite and Sunday sales with this expansion? Reasors is open on Sunday and some grocers are 24 hours. If my favorite brands (not exotic by any means- rum with a pirate on the label, wine with hopping kangaroos and Vodka with polish names) are available when I shop groceries it sure seems to me Ranch Acres will be relegated to elite shoppers much like Petty's.

Liquor is not going to be in grocery stores under the proposed changes.

I skimmed SJR 68 and the bill that will enact the changes and it is unclear to me what the days/hours for beer and wine sales in grocery/convenience stores will be.  Logically, such sales should be treated the same as 3.2 sales are now - pretty much any time.  If so, that will really put liquor stores at a disadvantage.  We could see some of the larger liquor stores with available space create a fixed division of their stores between wine/beer and liquor departments.  Then they can keep the wine/beer store open for longer hours and on Sundays. 

[AquaMan]

Liquor is not going to be in grocery stores under the proposed changes.

I skimmed SJR 68 and the bill that will enact the changes and it is unclear to me what the days/hours for beer and wine sales in grocery/convenience stores will be.  Logically, such sales should be treated the same as 3.2 sales are now - pretty much any time.  If so, that will really put liquor stores at a disadvantage.  We could see some of the larger liquor stores with available space create a fixed division of their stores between wine/beer and liquor departments.  Then they can keep the wine/beer store open for longer hours and on Sundays. 

Thank you. That was the concern of the liquor store owner I talked to. That a grocery open 7 days a week, 24 hours a day had a real advantage in sales opportunity. In fact that store is already divided into three areas with two separate openings, so he much figure its going to pass and he's ready. But its unlikely he'll be able to justify being open so many more hours.

[patric]

OHP isnt the only DPS entity they could trim to keep their bureaucracy afloat...  A.B.L.E. seems a lot less relevant these days.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/capitol_report/ohp-troopers-given--mile-daily-driving-limit-due-to/article_2244c2ac-5f60-5e6e-be02-aa3b9e9eab03.html

[Hoss]

Retail Liquor Association of Oklahoma files lawsuit attempting to block SQ 792 stating that it's not constitutional.  Jeez.

http://www.newson6.com/story/34092273/retail-liquor-association-of-oklahoma-files-lawsuit-against-able-commission

[heironymouspasparagus]

Retail Liquor Association of Oklahoma files lawsuit attempting to block SQ 792 stating that it's not constitutional.  Jeez.

http://www.newson6.com/story/34092273/retail-liquor-association-of-oklahoma-files-lawsuit-against-able-commission

Letters.  Phone calls.  Tell your favorite liquor store what a doushy thing that is to pull.

Perhaps organize a one day rolling boycott of each of the top members just to let them know what a doushy thing it is.  I will be going to the Costco for at least a little while - a very little while - instead of my normal liquor store - and the usual place will hear from me.



 

[cannon_fodder]

Retail Liquor Association of Oklahoma files lawsuit attempting to block SQ 792 stating that it's not constitutional.  Jeez.

http://www.newson6.com/story/34092273/retail-liquor-association-of-oklahoma-files-lawsuit-against-able-commission

I was unable to find a copy of the suit, but as I understand it from articles the core legal complaint is that QT and Walmart (and the like) can own as many high-point beer and wine locations as they want, while a resident of Oklahoma can only own 2 liquor stores under the new law.  Also, I think liquor stores are limited in the amount of non-alcohol items they can sell, but I'm not sure Walmart is similarly limited. I believe this is essentially the same challenge they brought before the vote, as described in detail in this July article.  Obviously that failed and the vote went forward, but the judge did indicate that the Court had some "questions" about the constitutionality of new law: http://journalrecord.com/2016/08/01/judge-denies-plea-to-block-alcohol-ballot-measure-law/

So we shall see...

[Red Arrow]

I want to be able to buy a spray can of wasp and hornet killer at my liquor store.