Herman Cain's 9-9-9

[Conan71]

The former governor of Michigan made that very point on the Daily Show this morning. Michigan cut taxes 99 times and made it easier to do business in Michigan, which did nothing but continue to ignore them. There are just too many other factors involved.

Like unions and rampant crime in urban centers.

[Gaspar]

Come on guys!  Don't pretend.  You have to eliminate the uncertainty that the private sector is feeling.

They don't know if their health care expenses are going to rise 7% or 37%.
They don't know if they are going to have to weather another recession, and if so they don't know how long it's going to last.
They don't know if they are going what their taxes are going to be for the next 5 years, but they do know that the government wants to stick it too them.
They don't know how much the energy they need to produce is going to cost, but they do know it will cost more the heat/cool and ship because of new regulations.

They have a president that keeps saying "I'm going to tax you to pay for my spending. . .You are the reason, and I want my pound of flesh! . . .You don't pay your fair share."

How the $%$^ do you think those mantras are going to help anything?

You know, it would probably be different if he would actually do something and pull off the band-aid, but instead, he makes 3 years of speeches, and you never know if, or, and when the hammer is going to fall.

He's had 30 campaign fund-raisers and raised more money than God for his 2012 campaign.  The typical president has about 3 to 5 fundraisers by this time in a re-election cycle.

It is obvious that with every fiber of his being he hates the private sector, and with the exception of a few donors willing to pawn their soles for favor, the private sector hates him too.

I don't blame ANYONE for conserving cash, or doing what it takes to hold tight their key employees until the storm passes.  The companies that don't will most likely cease to exist when President Obama blows the seventh horn.

[Conan71]

He's had 30 campaign fund-raisers and raised more money than God for his 2012 campaign.  The typical president has about 3 to 5 fundraisers by this time in a re-election cycle.

I dunno, I hear God is doing pretty good these days.  At least judging by the collections at His branch offices.

[Gaspar]

I dunno, I hear God is doing pretty good these days.  At least judging by the collections at His branch offices.

They're skimming!

[AquaMan]

Better lay off the java mr. G. You're likely to burst some veins and start drooling.

[Gaspar]

Better lay off the java mr. G. You're likely to burst some veins and start drooling.

Sorry, I'm a bit tender on that subject.  I had a $85K deal fall through last week, and the CEO told me exactly what I posted above as the reason he was not going to upgrade, or buy trucks or hire 3 extra technicians.  He finished the conversation by saying "we'll talk again when this clown leaves office."

I can't blame him.

[Breadburner]

Does it take a straw man to beat a straw man thats President.....

[dbacks fan]

They have a president that keeps saying "I'm going to tax you to pay for my spending. . .You are the reason, and I want my pound of flesh! . . .You don't pay your fair share."

Sounds familiar.....

http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=18150.msg212421#msg212421

[we vs us]

Sounds familiar.....

http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=18150.msg212421#msg212421

It sounds familiar because that's how taxes work no matter who's in charge of the gov. 

[Conan71]

Sorry, I'm a bit tender on that subject.  I had a $85K deal fall through last week, and the CEO told me exactly what I posted above as the reason he was not going to upgrade, or buy trucks or hire 3 extra technicians.  He finished the conversation by saying "we'll talk again when this clown leaves office."

I can't blame him.

Yeah, but your real world experience on the issue is irrelevant because it doesn't agree with Keynes nor liberal dogma.

Reality is like kryptonite to liberals.

[we vs us]

Yeah, but your real world experience on the issue is irrelevant because it doesn't agree with Keynes nor liberal dogma.

Reality is like kryptonite to liberals.

I don't doubt someone said that to you, and I don't doubt that that's someone's reasoning for killing a deal with you.  I don't know that other person's finances, nor his business, nor how you fit into his plans.  I don't know much of anything about the deal but I do know that if he's making expand/not expand decisions on who's in office and his plans, he's deciding to run his business based on partisan conclusions rather than the facts on the ground.  Why?  Because the things Obama has proposed and passed are almost all Republican policy prescriptions from the very recent past, and most of which were undoubtedly acceptable to your business partner before Obama got his filthy socialist hands all over them.  This includes everything from healthcare reform, industry bailouts, tax levels lower than the Reagan/Bush I era, a rapidly shrinking federal payroll, regulation reform, etc. Obama's been a really effective moderate Republican, yet if businesses aren't investing or expanding because he's not business friendly enough, I can only suggest the business folks have no grasp of history or economics. Because up until three years ago a lot of this stuff was mainstream and acceptable. 

[AquaMan]

There really is no place in a well run business for hate politics. It just is folly to blame one man, or one party, or one philosophy for so much. Especially when the problems are so profound and widespread. And like you said, when those beliefs are historically ludicrous.

When Carter was running for office a republican friend of mine, whom I much respected for his business sense, told me I would lose my mortgage deduction should Carter be elected. Of course that didn't happen and ironically it is now a Republican proposal. A local builder, Creekmore I think, told anyone who would listen that he was selling everything if it looked like Carter would win because the economy would destroy everyone. Just seems laughable now, but back then people around here were truly scared of change.

It seems alot like ESPN and their puppy love for the SEC. It makes enemies for them outside of the south and reduces their credibility. Or like Cain calling Obama a liar. Galvanizes all his negatives and shows a lack of discipline.

[nathanm]

Come on guys!  Don't pretend.  You have to eliminate the uncertainty that the private sector is feeling.

They don't know if their health care expenses are going to rise 7% or 37%.
They don't know if they are going to have to weather another recession, and if so they don't know how long it's going to last.
They don't know if they are going what their taxes are going to be for the next 5 years, but they do know that the government wants to stick it too them.
They don't know how much the energy they need to produce is going to cost, but they do know it will cost more the heat/cool and ship because of new regulations.

There is always uncertainty in business. These whiners are spending too much time listening to Chamber of Commerce lobbyists and not enough time with their heads out of their asses. Cutting taxes more isn't going to forestall another recession. Guess what kept China out of recession? Keynesian stimulus! They haven't known for the past 20 years whether health care expenses are going to rise 5% next year or 35%. We haven't had energy price stability since freakin' 2001. Obama's policies may not have fixed any of these issues, but they're all pre-existing. This is just disaster capitalism at its finest. And all the small business owners hearing the freakout are rightly concerned. All they hear is doom and gloom, so why should they be optimistic?

It is obvious that with every fiber of his being he hates the private sector, and with the exception of a few donors willing to pawn their soles for favor, the private sector hates him too.

I don't blame ANYONE for conserving cash, or doing what it takes to hold tight their key employees until the storm passes.  The companies that don't will most likely cease to exist when President Obama blows the seventh horn

That's why he's signed tax cut after tax cut into law. Because he hates the private sector. You are so disconnected from reality that it's gone beyond amusing, and all the way to pity.

[Conan71]

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Everyone else explains away the tepidity of a real business person as partisan.  There are a lot of Democrats noticing the uncertainty too guys.

[AquaMan]

Hah! A real businessman? Bernie Madoff was a real businessman. Warren Buffet is a real businessman. Trump is too. There is certainly room in the world for differing views of what is good, effective business philosophy and what is regurgitated political doctrine.

Any one here ever watch that show, "Sharks"? The one where the business people listen to proposals from entrepreneurs and offer money to partner with them? It is amazing to me that such successful business people can see the same project so differently. And never, never has anything about uncertainty over the health care act, or any of these other problems that you folks think are hindering the business community ever come up. They don't talk politics either. They couldn't care less because they know business is like a shark, if you're not constantly moving, you're not living.