Is The Occupy Wall Street Movement an Answer to The Tea Party Movement?

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guido911

Oh my.  These are supposed to be adults...


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b05_1322112170
Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

Teatownclown

Quote from: guido911 on November 25, 2011, 08:09:10 PM
Oh my.  These are supposed to be adults...


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b05_1322112170

There was more violence across the country today.... do you think there's a correlation between the Teahadist cult and the cult of Christmas having stuff?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/25/black-friday-violence-reported-at-stores-across-country/

Does pepper spray need to be regulated?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/26/us-usa-retail-violence-idUSTRE7AO15H20111126



Belligerence and violence....and other similarities. These people think of themselves as temporarily inconvenienced Millionaires?

The people in the Teapotty do not understand what is causing their problems, the things they complain about, and somehow their agenda ls the same agenda as a billionaire.

guido911

Here ya go:



How did you connect the tea party to violence and theft? Those are mainstays of your Pee Party, along of course with rape, crapping on cars, crapping on flags, drug dealing, etc. Please produce the proof that the 1% are out there stabbing people and stealing laptops as your BS video points out.
Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

Red Arrow

Quote from: Teatownclown on November 25, 2011, 08:29:17 PM
There was more violence across the country today.... do you think there's a correlation between the Teahadist cult and the cult of Christmas having stuff?
Belligerence and violence....and other similarities. These people think of themselves as temporarily inconvenienced Millionaires?
The people in the Teapotty do not understand what is causing their problems, the things they complain about, and somehow their agenda ls the same agenda as a billionaire.

Millionaires and Billionaires don't need to save $100.  Seems more like the 99%ers to me.
 

heironymouspasparagus

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Quote from: guido911 on November 23, 2011, 05:48:10 PM
Are you seriously comparing pepper spray to: sarin, mustard gas, and VS? If so, way to marginalize the violent deaths of around 5,000 men, women and children.

Are you really marginalizing the death of the 1 million + men, women, and children killed in Iraq due to our bombs and depleted uranium shells and other activities in the last several years by worrying about 5,000 deaths by sarin??  (The gas weapons by way of chemicals and equipment we provided to Saddam in the first place??)  Way to marginalize there, guido!!

This is the incredible - in the most horrifying sense of the word - part of the RWRE script!  And how many buy into that BS.

"So he brandished a gun, never shot anyone or anything right?"  --TeeDub, 17 Feb 2018.

I don't share my thoughts because I think it will change the minds of people who think differently.  I share my thoughts to show the people who already think like me that they are not alone.

Red Arrow

Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on November 26, 2011, 12:03:13 AM
Are you really marginalizing the death of the 1 million + men, women, and children killed in Iraq due to our bombs and depleted uranium shells and other activities

Do you have a breakdown on the number of deaths due to "other activities"?  I would include suicide bombers and other Iraqi vs Iraqi activities such as civil war deaths as well as other foreign insurgents killing Iraqis as "other activities".
 

patric

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/igeneration/uc-davis-official-spin-crumbles-in-the-face-of-too-many-videos/13347


Within hours of the attack on the students, UC Davis police were forced to issue a press statement defending their actions.

"Students were given warnings to leave their tents [pitched on campus] by 3 p.m.", it said. "The protest initially involved about 50 students", Annette Spicuzza, UC Davis' police chief said. "Some were wearing protective gear and some held batons".

The final insult was when she said: "Officers were forced to use pepper spray when students surrounded them", adding, "There was no way out of the circle".

It makes one see there could have been at least two sides to the story. Perhaps the students were being unruly, or defiant, or armed and ready to commit violence. It was possible, and had been previously witnessed in England during the student protests.

But the statement was spin, and the spin doctor who wrote that statement was clearly unaware that citizens had recorded the event in full, and could in no way document the blasé attitude of the police officer, spraying the students at point-blank range with a thick fog of violent pepper-spray.

As citizen journalism offers instant accountability to the actions made by those in authority, it gives us greater control over what we believe and consume as end-users of this world we live in.

Spin no longer works.



It seems to have worked in Tulsa Oklahoma.
"Tulsa will lay off police and firemen before we will cut back on unnecessarily wasteful streetlights."  -- March 18, 2009 TulsaNow Forum

Ed W

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guido911

Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on November 26, 2011, 12:03:13 AM
Are you really marginalizing the death of the 1 million + men, women, and children killed in Iraq due to our bombs and depleted uranium shells and other activities in the last several years by worrying about 5,000 deaths by sarin??  (The gas weapons by way of chemicals and equipment we provided to Saddam in the first place??)  Way to marginalize there, guido!!

This is the incredible - in the most horrifying sense of the word - part of the RWRE script!  And how many buy into that BS.



Were you PWI last night?
Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

Teatownclown

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QuotePublished on Friday, November 25, 2011 by the Guardian/UK
The Shocking Truth About the Crackdown on Occupy
The violent police assaults across the US are no coincidence. Occupy has touched the third rail of our political class's venality
by Naomi Wolf

US citizens of all political persuasions are still reeling from images of unparallelled police brutality in a coordinated crackdown against peaceful OWS protesters in cities across the nation this past week. An elderly woman was pepper-sprayed in the face; the scene of unresisting, supine students at UC Davis being pepper-sprayed by phalanxes of riot police went viral online; images proliferated of young women – targeted seemingly for their gender – screaming, dragged by the hair by police in riot gear; and the pictures of a young man, stunned and bleeding profusely from the head, emerged in the record of the middle-of-the-night clearing of Zuccotti Park.

But just when Americans thought we had the picture – was this crazy police and mayoral overkill, on a municipal level, in many different cities? – the picture darkened. The National Union of Journalists and the Committee to Protect Journalists issued a Freedom of Information Act request to investigate possible federal involvement with law enforcement practices that appeared to target journalists. The New York Times reported that "New York cops have arrested, punched, whacked, shoved to the ground and tossed a barrier at reporters and photographers" covering protests. Reporters were asked by NYPD to raise their hands to prove they had credentials: when many dutifully did so, they were taken, upon threat of arrest, away from the story they were covering, and penned far from the site in which the news was unfolding. Other reporters wearing press passes were arrested and roughed up by cops, after being – falsely – informed by police that "It is illegal to take pictures on the sidewalk."

In New York, a state supreme court justice and a New York City council member were beaten up; in Berkeley, California, one of our greatest national poets, Robert Hass, was beaten with batons. The picture darkened still further when Wonkette and Washingtonsblog.com reported that the Mayor of Oakland acknowledged that the Department of Homeland Security had participated in an 18-city mayor conference call advising mayors on "how to suppress" Occupy protests.

To Europeans, the enormity of this breach may not be obvious at first. Our system of government prohibits the creation of a federalized police force, and forbids federal or militarized involvement in municipal peacekeeping.

I noticed that right-wing pundits and politicians on the TV shows on which I was appearing were all on-message against OWS. Journalist Chris Hayes reported on a leaked memo that revealed lobbyists vying for an $850,000 contract to smear Occupy Message coordination of this kind is impossible without a full-court press at the top. This was clearly not simply a case of a freaked-out mayors', city-by-city municipal overreaction against mess in the parks and cranky campers. As the puzzle pieces fit together, they began to show coordination against OWS at the highest national levels.

Why this massive mobilization against these not-yet-fully-articulated, unarmed, inchoate people? After all, protesters against the war in Iraq, Tea Party rallies and others have all proceeded without this coordinated crackdown. Is it really the camping? As I write, two hundred young people, with sleeping bags, suitcases and even folding chairs, are still camping out all night and day outside of NBC on public sidewalks – under the benevolent eye of an NYPD cop – awaiting Saturday Night Live tickets, so surely the camping is not the issue. I was still deeply puzzled as to why OWS, this hapless, hopeful band, would call out a violent federal response.

That is, until I found out what it was that OWS actually wanted.

The mainstream media was declaring continually "OWS has no message". Frustrated, I simply asked them. I began soliciting online "What is it you want?" answers from Occupy. In the first 15 minutes, I received 100 answers. These were truly eye-opening.

The No 1 agenda item: get the money out of politics. Most often cited was legislation to blunt the effect of the Citizens United ruling, which lets boundless sums enter the campaign process. No 2: reform the banking system to prevent fraud and manipulation, with the most frequent item being to restore the Glass-Steagall Act – the Depression-era law, done away with by President Clinton, that separates investment banks from commercial banks. This law would correct the conditions for the recent crisis, as investment banks could not take risks for profit that create kale derivatives out of thin air, and wipe out the commercial and savings banks.

No 3 was the most clarifying: draft laws against the little-known loophole that currently allows members of Congress to pass legislation affecting Delaware-based corporations in which they themselves are investors.


When I saw this list – and especially the last agenda item – the scales fell from my eyes. Of course, these unarmed people would be having the smile kicked out of them.

For the terrible insight to take away from news that the Department of Homeland Security coordinated a violent crackdown is that the DHS does not freelance. The DHS cannot say, on its own initiative, "we are going after these scruffy hippies". Rather, DHS is answerable up a chain of command: first, to New York Representative Peter King, head of the House homeland security subcommittee, who naturally is influenced by his fellow congressmen and women's wishes and interests. And the DHS answers directly, above King, to the president (who was conveniently in Australia at the time).

In other words, for the DHS to be on a call with mayors, the logic of its chain of command and accountability implies that congressional overseers, with the blessing of the White House, told the DHS to authorize mayors to order their police forces – pumped up with millions of dollars of hardware and training from the DHS – to make war on peaceful citizens.

But wait: why on earth would Congress advise violent militarized reactions against its own peaceful constituents? The answer is straightforward: in recent years, members of Congress have started entering the system as members of the middle class (or upper middle class) – but they are leaving DC privy to vast personal wealth, as we see from the "scandal" of presidential contender Newt Gingrich's having been paid $1.8m for a few hours' "consulting" to special interests. The inflated fees to lawmakers who turn lobbyists are common knowledge, but the notion that congressmen and women are legislating their own companies' profitsis less widely known – and if the books were to be opened, they would surely reveal corruption on a Wall Street spectrum. Indeed, we do already know that congresspeople are massively profiting from trading on non-public information they have on companies about which they are legislating – a form of insider trading that sent Martha Stewart to jail.

Since Occupy is heavily surveilled and infiltrated, it is likely that the DHS and police informers are aware, before Occupy itself is, what its emerging agenda is going to look like. If legislating away lobbyists' privileges to earn boundless fees once they are close to the legislative process, reforming the banks so they can't suck money out of fake derivatives products, and, most critically, opening the books on a system that allowed members of Congress to profit personally – and immensely – from their own legislation, are two beats away from the grasp of an electorally organized Occupy movement ... well, you will call out the troops on stopping that advance.

So, when you connect the dots, properly understood, what happened this week is the first battle in a civil war; a civil war in which, for now, only one side is choosing violence. It is a battle in which members of Congress, with the collusion of the American president, sent violent, organized suppression against the people they are supposed to represent. Occupy has touched the third rail: personal congressional profits streams. Even though they are, as yet, unaware of what the implications of their movement are, those threatened by the stirrings of their dreams of reform are not.

Sadly, Americans this week have come one step closer to being true brothers and sisters of the protesters in Tahrir Square. Like them, our own national leaders, who likely see their own personal wealth under threat from transparency and reform, are now making war upon us.
© 2011 Naomi Wolf

Author, social critic, and political activist Naomi Wolf is the author of The New York Times bestseller "The End of America" (Chelsea Green) and, more recently, Give Me Liberty: A Handbook for American Revolutionaries. Wolf's landmark international bestseller, The Beauty Myth, challenged the cosmetics industry and the marketing of unrealistic standards of beauty, launching a new wave of feminism in the early 1990s.
more Naomi Wolf

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/11/25-7

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The OWS/%99 Movement walks like an Egyptian, not a Teabagger....

patric

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Occupy has touched the third rail: personal congressional profits streams. Even though they are, as yet, unaware of what the implications of their movement are, those threatened by the stirrings of their dreams of reform are not.

Either that, or enforcing park curfew laws became a no-holds-barred national emergency all of the sudden.  :o
"Tulsa will lay off police and firemen before we will cut back on unnecessarily wasteful streetlights."  -- March 18, 2009 TulsaNow Forum

Ed W

Ed

May you live in interesting times.

nathanm

"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

Red Arrow

Quote from: patric on November 26, 2011, 06:14:18 PM
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Occupy has touched the third rail: personal congressional profits streams. Even though they are, as yet, unaware of what the implications of their movement are, those threatened by the stirrings of their dreams of reform are not.

Either that, or enforcing park curfew laws became a no-holds-barred national emergency all of the sudden.  :o

I saw a video of an unfortunate person who climbed on top of an electric train and touched the overhead wire, the equivalent of the "third rail".  There were arcs and sparks but they weren't pretty.  Does this quote mean that Occupy has committed suicide?

Edit:  found link to video

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8da_1255213832

 

guido911

Throwing fake blood at Nieman Marcus:



Vandalizing a bank's wall with "Revenge for Occupy Oakland":



Just like the tea party...

Someone get Hoss a pacifier.