Is The Occupy Wall Street Movement an Answer to The Tea Party Movement?

[Townsend]

I'd say that's incorrect.  I'd say the President and Dems want to harness the movement but aren't sure how to do it. 

Because each Occupy group is local, it's the local and state governments that wish the movement would dry up and blow away. 

Eh, Clown just likes to think he's not part of the bigger groups.  He's having a "look down my nose" moment.

[nathanm]

I'd say that's incorrect.  I'd say the President and Dems want to harness the movement but aren't sure how to do it.

I think part of what scares them is the nature of OWS' governance (for what it is, anyway). Rather than have a real power structure, it's all done by direct democracy and consensus. Obama's speech in Osawatamie that Gaspar seems to think was so offensive (what's offensive about talking about the problems with our economy?) is pretty much spot on what he needs to be saying to attract their (positive) attention. Without action, however, it's meaningless babble.

[guido911]

Why are the Tulsa pee partiers weighing in on criminal cases?

Occupy Tulsa protesters have taken up the cause of a murder suspect, saying the state's failure to bring him to trial after three years violates due process.

http://www.krmg.com/news/news/local/occupy-protesters-take-cause-murder-suspect-d-says/nFymx/#comments

I guess they are now criminal defense lawyers, on top of being leading employers and economists.

[dbacks fan]

Also they are now the soothe sayers on foreclosures trying to get 'Big Bad Banks' to foregive people about to be forced out. Wonder how many of them used their homes as an ATM to buy stuff because the value of the home became so overinflated and then with job cut backs could not afford now what they could before.

[Red Arrow]

Also they are now the soothe sayers on foreclosures trying to get 'Big Bad Banks' to foregive people about to be forced out. Wonder how many of them used their homes as an ATM to buy stuff because the value of the home became so overinflated and then with job cut backs could not afford now what they could before.

It almost (but not really) makes me wish I were in debt up to my eyebrows (more than to my ears).  I could join the OWS to get my debts forgiven just because I'm a person. However, I expect that since I am known to have voted Republican I am ineligible for debt forgiveness.

[RecycleMichael]

Why are the tea-baggers now weighing in on immigration and climate change?

http://www.teaparty.org/article.php?id=1846

And the Tea Party suddenly cares about climate change?

http://www.teaparty.org/article.php?id=1794

I guess guido is now an expert on tea and bagging.

[guido911]

Why are the tea-baggers now weighing in on immigration and climate change?

http://www.teaparty.org/article.php?id=1846

And the Tea Party suddenly cares about climate change?

http://www.teaparty.org/article.php?id=1794

I guess guido is now an expert on tea and bagging.

Keep up the defense of the newest version of the Westboro baptists. Attention whores.

[RecycleMichael]

Attention whores.

Jealous, tea-bagger?

[nathanm]

Also they are now the soothe sayers on foreclosures trying to get 'Big Bad Banks' to foregive people about to be forced out. Wonder how many of them used their homes as an ATM to buy stuff because the value of the home became so overinflated and then with job cut backs could not afford now what they could before.

One group of people being irresponsible does not excuse the refusal of others to legally record mortgages and deeds or commit perjury. Part of living in a civil society involves adhering to the rule of law. The fact of the matter is that if the bank didn't cross their ts and dot their is, they can't legally foreclose. If they can't legally foreclose, attempting to do so is at best attempting to steal someone's house.

If the mortgage and deed are in fact legally recorded and all the paperwork is in order, they should get to foreclose. Simple as that.

All of them that were involved in private securitizations are probably screwed anyway. They had a contractual obligation to the MBS buyers to legally record all the documents. If they didn't, the contracts (apparently) generally contain provisions allowing the investors to push the MBS and its associated losses back onto the bank. Moreover, if the MBS' trust wasn't legal under New York law, there are serious tax liabilities that the banks will be on the hook for.

They screwed themselves by playing fast and loose with the rules. Why should I have any sympathy towards them?

[guido911]

Part of living in a civil society involves adhering to the rule of law...They screwed themselves by playing fast and loose with the rules. Why should I have any sympathy towards them?

You posted that in this thread? A thread about people trespassing, sexually assaulting, drug abusing, vandalizing, publicly masturbating, and on and on...Do you ever stop and think?

[patric]

A thread about people trespassing, sexually assaulting, drug abusing, vandalizing, publicly masturbating, and on and on...Do you ever stop and think?

Think...as in like your thinking that OWS is the same as the Fred Phelps Westboro cult?

[guido911]

Think...as in like your thinking that OWS is the same as the Fred Phelps Westboro cult?

If the "attention whore" shoe fits...

[Gaspar]

Now that Occupy Boston has been evicted, the damage is overwhelming.
The former Rose Kenedy Greenway Conservatory has been devastated.  The grass is gone, sprinkler system destroyed, and trees killed.

The conservancy has been pushing the city to take action to remove the protesters, sending a letter to Mayor Thomas M. Menino's office last month expressing frustration at rampant deterioration of the site, plus health and safety issues, including "disturbing" instances of drug use and interference of a farmers market. A judge this week lifted a restraining order on the city, giving it the green light to boot them out.

Brennan said the grass, which has turned into a mud pit, will need to be completely resodded, and she fears several trees that have been damaged will have to be replanted.

"Three or four trees might be lost. There's browning of the foliage, and there are some broken and bent limbs," she said. "Part of what we need to do is check on the root systems, and that is just going to take a little bit of time."

Brennan also expects that the sprinkler system was damaged so much it will have to be repaired or replaced. Also in need of replacement are about 20 percent of the shrubbery and the pebbles from a pedestrian walkway that runs along Purchase Street.

She also said the wall of the large air intake tower for the O'Neill Tunnel will have to be power-hosed to remove markings and messages left behind by the squatters.

"The grass crete has really taken a beating," said Brennan, referring to the concrete-type material covering the delivery truck driveway that allows grass to grow through. "We need to see if we can restore or replace it."



http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1387305

Today they are occupying sea ports again, attempting to halt commerce in Oakland.  They currently have the unloading of two ships blocked at berths 55/56 & 30/33.
http://www.ustream.tv/occupyoakland

This is now a very clear crime.  They have stated that their goal is to disrupt commerce. No longer a protest, now a terrorist movement.

[we vs us]

This is now a very clear crime.  They have stated that their goal is to disrupt commerce. No longer a protest, now a terrorist movement.

We've been over this.  "Disrupting commerce" is not a crime in any lawbook.  "Larceny" or "destruction of private property" or "vandalism" is.  Even then, "larceny" and "destruction of private property"  and "vandalism" do not nearly rise to the level of, say, fertilizer truck bombs or, God forbid, jetliners-as-missiles.  They don't even rise to the level of "suicide bomb vest" or "sniper rifle from a hilltop." 

Though I have to say, I'm not surprised that in your personal ethical universe "disrupting commerce" is a terrorist act.  That's as clear an indication as any of how completely you've been dissolved into the idea that business is the totality of our public life.  I'm glad to say that that remains as radical a reworking of our civic moral code as Communism or Socialism ever was.   

[Gaspar]

We've been over this.  "Disrupting commerce" is not a crime in any lawbook.  "Larceny" or "destruction of private property" or "vandalism" is.  Even then, "larceny" and "destruction of private property"  and "vandalism" do not nearly rise to the level of, say, fertilizer truck bombs or, God forbid, jetliners-as-missiles.  They don't even rise to the level of "suicide bomb vest" or "sniper rifle from a hilltop."  

Though I have to say, I'm not surprised that in your personal ethical universe "disrupting commerce" is a terrorist act.  That's as clear an indication as any of how completely you've been dissolved into the idea that business is the totality of our public life.  I'm glad to say that that remains as radical a reworking of our civic moral code as Communism or Socialism ever was.  

This is going to get nasty today.  Keep an eye on it.  http://www.portlandoccupier.org/2011/12/12/liveblog-d12/

I disagree, because it can and has been successfully argued that any person who blocks or disrupts legal commerce is engaging in criminal activity by denying the primary rights of others as guaranteed in the US constitution.  It is the same criminal classification applied to such activities as computer hacking to disrupt commerce on a website or network.