Herman Cain and 9-9-9

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But NBC is a liberal leaning corporation...

That's why no one listens to it.

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And here is another one claiming that Cain harassed.

I won't be too surprised if it is all true.  Wow!  How unbelievable is that?  A Republicontin lying about sex??  Hmmm...maybe he should be impeached!!


http://news.yahoo.com/ap-exclusive-third-worker-says-harassed-cain-195748722.html

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And here is another one claiming that Cain harassed.

I won't be too surprised if it is all true.  Wow!  How unbelievable is that?  A Republicontin lying about sex??  Hmmm...maybe he should be impeached!!


http://news.yahoo.com/ap-exclusive-third-worker-says-harassed-cain-195748722.html

I don't think he's lied under oath...yet.  That's why Clinton got impeached, he perjured himself.  Lesser people might be in prison for rape today or on a sex offender registry at best.

Yeah, this latest one doesn't look so good for Cain.  She doesn't have an NDA and did not reach a settlement.  Now it's a matter of she said/he said.

Not that I've spent time sexually harassing people, but this is yet one good reason I will never run for office.  You never know what someone may have taken out of context years ago, or even made up in their head as being more than it was.  When someone decides to come out from 15 years ago and say they were "uncomfortable" I consider it could have been an overblown issue.  Behavior that would have been brushed off 30 or 40 years ago as being nothing more than low-brow kidding now gets taken seriously because of all the attention placed on SH back in the '90's.

I can think of one incidence where I was leading a training school for a week in Dallas with 8 or 10 new reps.  One of the reps played the "Duck Job" audio file as we were coming back from a break, just several of us guys standing around, no women in the room.  One of the female reps came in at about the "climax" of the audio file.  I motioned for the rep who was playing it to shut his lap top.  Now, someone like that could very easily say she was "made uncomfortable" by that and as a manager I did nothing to stop it.  Did I err by not telling him to play it on his own time in his motel room that evening? Possibly so.  At any rate, it's not like I groped anyone nor was I the one playing the file, but as the "person in charge" I could have just as easily been hit with such an allegation of "hostile work environment". 

I can also think of an incident one year at the company awards trip in Montreal.  My ex-wife and I had gone for massages that day at one of the really nice spas in Montreal.  We ate that night with one of the corporate VP's and he made the off-the-cuff comment that my wife was welcome to come rub his shoulders any time.  We all laughed that off and I never thought twice about it, but if he'd said to someone with less of a sense of humor, he could have easily gotten slapped with harassment as there were other people at the table.  I'm just not one to blow an odd compliment about my spouse out of proportion.

To me, it's complete BS, but again, it illustrates how easily that can be spun later in life on someone to make them sound like a sexual predator when it's not even close to the truth.  Knowing the propensity of the media to blow things out of proportion, I'm sure "pervert" will come up in a story on Cain before long.

I'm not apologizing for Cain or running interference, but I can see how an invitation to his personal apartment might have spun out of control, say if the person accusing this now didn't realize it was an invitation to have dinner with Mr. and Mrs. Cain.  Again, I wasn't there so I don't know.  I'm simply speaking from relevant experience of being in mid-level management when all this really got big in the mid to late '90's.  People were encouraged to "come out of the shadows".  I'm sure some were legit, and some were like the slip and fall claimers at Wal-Mart.

I'm going to give him the same benefit of the doubt I'd give any candidate of any political party and that's that I'm far more concerned about how they will lead the country.  I would assume after this episode, that type of leadership won't include any slaps on the donkey for good work.

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I don't think he's lied under oath...yet.  That's why Clinton got impeached, he perjured himself.  Lesser people might be in prison for rape today or on a sex offender registry at best.

Yeah, this latest one doesn't look so good for Cain.  She doesn't have an NDA and did not reach a settlement.  Now it's a matter of she said/he said.

I can also think of an incident one year at the company awards trip in Montreal.  My ex-wife and I had gone for massages that day at one of the really nice spas in Montreal.  We ate that night with one of the corporate VP's and he made the off-the-cuff comment that my wife was welcome to come rub his shoulders any time.  We all laughed that off and I never thought twice about it, but if he'd said to someone with less of a sense of humor, he could have easily gotten slapped with harassment as there were other people at the table.  I'm just not one to blow an odd compliment about my spouse out of proportion.

To me, it's complete BS, but again, it illustrates how easily that can be spun later in life on someone to make them sound like a sexual predator when it's not even close to the truth.  Knowing the propensity of the media to blow things out of proportion, I'm sure "pervert" will come up in a story on Cain before long.

Clinton - again, goes to the "degree" of lying.  He lied about BS BJ in the Oval office.  Didn't cost any of us anything, and Monica, Billy, and Hillary all had a good time.  Who cares??    On the other hand, we have the lies about Iraq that got us into a multi-trillion dollar sinkhole that has killed over 4,000 of our kids.  Yeah, Billy Bob is the important lie here...talk about blowing things out of proportion...

I think it is more a case of he said/ three of them said....


It's good that none of the women in your life/family have not been subject to harassment.  I was at a small local company several years ago where the President (small, out of town owners) had an informal "arrangement" with the more attractive women in the company...as long as they would not protest an occasional grope or two, they could keep their jobs and get occasional raises.  One didn't go along - she only lasted a couple of years until he could cook up an excuse.  Luckily, he was eventually investigated by an outside military agency and was allowed to "retire" - no harm/no foul.

By far the worst example I have ever encountered - in fact, the only overt systemic example I have ever encountered.  Luckily.

[Conan71]

Clinton - again, goes to the "degree" of lying.  He lied about BS BJ in the Oval office.  Didn't cost any of us anything, and Monica, Billy, and Hillary all had a good time.  Who cares??    On the other hand, we have the lies about Iraq that got us into a multi-trillion dollar sinkhole that has killed over 4,000 of our kids.  Yeah, Billy Bob is the important lie here...talk about blowing things out of proportion...

I think it is more a case of he said/ three of them said....


It's good that none of the women in your life/family have not been subject to harassment.  I was at a small local company several years ago where the President (small, out of town owners) had an informal "arrangement" with the more attractive women in the company...as long as they would not protest an occasional grope or two, they could keep their jobs and get occasional raises.  One didn't go along - she only lasted a couple of years until he could cook up an excuse.  Luckily, he was eventually investigated by an outside military agency and was allowed to "retire" - no harm/no foul.

By far the worst example I have ever encountered - in fact, the only overt systemic example I have ever encountered.  Luckily.

I'm sorry, did I miss the intent of the post I previously quoted? You mentioned something about impeachment so I assumed you were referencing the Clinton impeachment.  Of course, Mr. Cain would have to be an elected official to be impeached.  Perhaps you ditched that semester of Civics...

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I'm sorry, did I miss the intent of the post I previously quoted? You mentioned something about impeachment so I assumed you were referencing the Clinton impeachment.  Of course, Mr. Cain would have to be an elected official to be impeached.  Perhaps you ditched that semester of Civics...

Too much of a stretch - sorry - I was looking far ahead to the future should he be elected to something, then the grounds for impeachment would already be in place waiting to happen.

I suspect he will be impeached by opinion polls long before he becomes officially "impeachable".