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Official 2011 Christmas Season vs. Holiday Season

Started by guido911, November 08, 2011, 06:53:54 PM

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guido911

Might as well kick it off with everyone's favorite governor.

QuoteLove him or hate him, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker is a man who sticks by his convictions.

He started by making Wisconsin more business-friendly, then took on the public sector unions. And now, the state lawmaker that has solidified a national name for himself is taking on atheists and non-believers — over the state's "holiday" tree.

On Monday, Walker decided that he wanted to shake things up a bit. Rather than following recent tradition and referring to the (Christmas) tree that is placed in the Wisconsin's Capitol Rotunda as a "holiday tree," he's changing course. For the past 25 years, lawmakers have referred to the evergreen that is decorated with ornaments and a star with this benign, uncategorized reference. Now, Walker plans to, once again, call the tree what it is — a Christmas tree.


http://www.theblaze.com/stories/atheists-angry-after-wis-gov-changes-holiday-tree-back-to-christmas-tree/
Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

custosnox

Holiday vs Christmas differs when your talking about a season or a tree.  There are several religions that celebrate a holiday at this time of year, though only Christmas uses the pine tree as one of its symbols (even if it was stolen from the pagans).  The stickiness of this situation is over if a government sponsored decoration should have a religious overtone to it, such as calling it a Christmas Tree (officially), though they fail to see that simply having the tree symbolizes an endorsement of one holiday over another.  Of course, the radical atheists really need to get over this whole what to call it thing, and the Christian fundies really need to get past the idea that only Christians celebrate Christmas (and that it can be celebrated in a non-religious way)


Teatownclown

Sorry, but the only people concerned about this issue are religious nuts and bigots...

We have bigger nuts to roast and more peaceful approaches to get the important message of the season out.

word up: Peace on Earth....Goodwill to man all people.

Ed W

Ah, time for that heartwarming tradition, the annual "War on Christmas" in which all the pious Christians will insist it's their right as red-blooded Americans to inflict their special myths on the rest of us.  Now, did I complain about the "War on Halloween" when they insisted on having 'harvest' festivals rather than pagan displays of gluttony, nakedness, and the usual drunken orgies?  I think not.  I didn't whine about it, so man up you Christians, and decide if your chosen deity is bigger than a bit of fuss over a name.

You know, the western world has been going downhill ever since human sacrifice was outlawed.
Ed

May you live in interesting times.

Red Arrow

Quote from: Ed W on November 08, 2011, 08:43:40 PM
Ah, time for that heartwarming tradition, the annual "War on Christmas" in which all the pious Christians will insist it's their right as red-blooded Americans to inflict their special myths on the rest of us.  Now, did I complain about the "War on Halloween" when they insisted on having 'harvest' festivals rather than pagan displays of gluttony, nakedness, and the usual drunken orgies?  I think not.  I didn't whine about it, so man up you Christians, and decide if your chosen deity is bigger than a bit of fuss over a name.

You know, the western world has been going downhill ever since human sacrifice was outlawed.

I thought the pagans had the harvest festivals and the Christians decided to call it something that morphed into Halloween. 
 

Red Arrow

 

custosnox

Quote from: Red Arrow on November 08, 2011, 08:56:24 PM
I thought the pagans had the harvest festivals and the Christians decided to call it something that morphed into Halloween. 
All Saints day was moved to November 1st to overshadow the Harvest festivals, making it the holy day, and the day before all hollowed eve.

Red Arrow

Quote from: custosnox on November 08, 2011, 09:00:09 PM
All Saints day was moved to November 1st to overshadow the Harvest festivals, making it the holy day, and the day before all hollowed eve.

That sounds familiar.
 

heironymouspasparagus

Quote from: Teatownclown on November 08, 2011, 07:39:19 PM
Sorry, but the only people concerned about this issue are religious nuts and bigots...

We have bigger nuts to roast and more peaceful approaches to get the important message of the season out.

word up: Peace on Earth....Goodwill to man all people.


I'm very concerned - I want us to start celebrating ALL the major religious holidays so we can get more days off as holiday!!  Eid Al-Fitr, Eid Al Adha, Hanukkah, Rosh HaShana, and a full week for Thanksgiving!!

Not Yom Kippur - I got nothing to atone for....

"So he brandished a gun, never shot anyone or anything right?"  --TeeDub, 17 Feb 2018.

I don't share my thoughts because I think it will change the minds of people who think differently.  I share my thoughts to show the people who already think like me that they are not alone.

Red Arrow

Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on November 08, 2011, 09:10:52 PM
I'm very concerned - I want us to start celebrating ALL the major religious holidays so we can get more days off as holiday!!  Eid Al-Fitr, Eid Al Adha, Hanukkah, Rosh HaShana, and a full week for Thanksgiving!!
Not Yom Kippur - I got nothing to atone for....

I only recognize Muslim and Jewish holidays in your list.  What happened to "ALL"?  There have to be some eastern religious holidays we could include.

You will have to convince me you "got nothing to atone for".
 

heironymouspasparagus

Quote from: Red Arrow on November 08, 2011, 09:27:30 PM
I only recognize Muslim and Jewish holidays in your list.  What happened to "ALL"?  There have to be some eastern religious holidays we could include.

You will have to convince me you "got nothing to atone for".

I would include them, too.  I just don't know what they are - no experience or knowledge.  I have watched a few Bollywood movies and love them!!  Remind me of 50's musicals.

Nothing to atone for now.  Does that work better?

"So he brandished a gun, never shot anyone or anything right?"  --TeeDub, 17 Feb 2018.

I don't share my thoughts because I think it will change the minds of people who think differently.  I share my thoughts to show the people who already think like me that they are not alone.

Red Arrow

 

heironymouspasparagus

"So he brandished a gun, never shot anyone or anything right?"  --TeeDub, 17 Feb 2018.

I don't share my thoughts because I think it will change the minds of people who think differently.  I share my thoughts to show the people who already think like me that they are not alone.