Newt

[heironymouspasparagus]

Was Bin Laden an American citizen?

Yet our president ordered the death of a citizen, attacking him with a Predator drone strike.  Sure, he was likely an enemy of the US, but American citizens still retain their legal rights.  This is no different from taking him out on the White House lawn and putting a bullet in his head.  

He was engaged in war activities against us.  He was chased down and eliminated.  If he wanted to avail himself of those rights - and he easily could have any time up to the point he was disassembled - all he had to do was call an embassy and ask to come in and visit.

Brought it on himself.

[guido911]

Was Bin Laden an American citizen?

Yet our president ordered the death of a citizen, attacking him with a Predator drone strike.  Sure, he was likely an enemy of the US, but American citizens still retain their legal rights.  This is no different from taking him out on the White House lawn and putting a bullet in his head. 

Come on Ed. You want to send the police into Yemen risking their lives to arrest that clown? Funny how I'm with Obama and you are with Ron Paul on this one...

[guido911]

Newt getting after Obama and his crutch.

[Teatownclown]

Newt's a clown.....these things I know

[RecycleMichael]

Newt quotes...

"She isn't young enough or pretty enough to be the President's wife."
-Newt Gingrich, talking about his first wife after divorcing her.

"This is one of the great tragedies of the Bush administration. The more successful they've been at intercepting and stopping bad guys, the less proof there is that we're in danger.... It's almost like they should every once in a while have allowed an attack to get through just to remind us."
- Newt Gingrich, at a book talk in Huntington, NY, April 2008, saying that Republicans should allow terrorist attacks on American soil to remind us of the dangers in the world.

"I think one of the great problems we have in the Republican party is that we don't encourage you to be nasty. We encourage you to be neat, obedient, and loyal and faithful and all those Boy Scout words."
-Newt Gingrich, advocating for hateful rhetoric and smearing opponents with lies.

"If the Soviet empire still existed, I'd be terrified. The fact is, we can afford a fairly ignorant presidency now."
-Newt Gingrich, saying that it's okay for the President to be ignorant.

"It is tragic what we do in the poorest neighborhoods, entrapping children in child laws which are truly stupid...These schools should get rid of unionized janitors, have one master janitor, pay local students to take care of the school."
-Newt Gingrich, advocating for an end to child labor laws so businesses can fire union workers and replace them with cheap labor.

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Newt quotes...

"She isn't young enough or pretty enough to be the President's wife."
-Newt Gingrich, talking about his first wife after divorcing her.

"This is one of the great tragedies of the Bush administration. The more successful they've been at intercepting and stopping bad guys, the less proof there is that we're in danger.... It's almost like they should every once in a while have allowed an attack to get through just to remind us."
- Newt Gingrich, at a book talk in Huntington, NY, April 2008, saying that Republicans should allow terrorist attacks on American soil to remind us of the dangers in the world.

"I think one of the great problems we have in the Republican party is that we don't encourage you to be nasty. We encourage you to be neat, obedient, and loyal and faithful and all those Boy Scout words."
-Newt Gingrich, advocating for hateful rhetoric and smearing opponents with lies.

"If the Soviet empire still existed, I'd be terrified. The fact is, we can afford a fairly ignorant presidency now."
-Newt Gingrich, saying that it's okay for the President to be ignorant.

"It is tragic what we do in the poorest neighborhoods, entrapping children in child laws which are truly stupid...These schools should get rid of unionized janitors, have one master janitor, pay local students to take care of the school."
-Newt Gingrich, advocating for an end to child labor laws so businesses can fire union workers and replace them with cheap labor.

Do you have the rest of the transcript supporting the conclusions in the smaller type?

[AquaMan]

Would it matter to a Gingrich enabler, supporter?

[RecycleMichael]

The first quote...
http://articles.latimes.com/1994-12-25/opinion/op-12904_1_family-values

The second quote...
http://www.examiner.com/la-county-libertarian-in-los-angeles/gingrich-who-once-suggested-govt-allow-attacks-amps-up-terrorism-fears-with-new-propaganda-film

The third quote...
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/17/opinion/17blow.html

The fourth quote...
http://americanhistoryquotes.com/gingrich_newt.htm

The fifth quote...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45371586/ns/local_news-detroit_mi/t/gingrich-laws-preventing-child-labor-are-truly-stupid/

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Would it matter to a Gingrich enabler, supporter?

Probably not much more than out of context, incomplete quotes from Obama would to an Obama enabler supporter.

For example:

"It is tragic what we do in the poorest neighborhoods, entrapping children in child laws which are truly stupid...These schools should get rid of unionized janitors, have one master janitor, pay local students to take care of the school."
-Newt Gingrich, advocating for an end to child labor laws so businesses can fire union workers and replace them with cheap labor.

You and I have different opinions about the value of belonging to a Union so I'll leave that one alone.  Neither of us wants kids working in sweat shops 60 hours a week.  What would be wrong with offering the opportunity to a Jr High kid to push a broom a few hours a week to earn some spending money?  I guess you would rather have them (continue to) sell drugs to their friends.  I haven't kept up with the laws on child labor since I don't have any kids.  When I was a teen, I had to get a work permit to join the local volunteer fire company at age 16.  That's OK, there was some potential danger involved although volunteers under age 18 were not allowed to enter a burning building.  We could work salvage,  pull fire hoses etc.  I would see no problem in allowing, not requiring, teenagers at 14 or 15 to perform janitorial duties such as floor sweeping, window washing (not requiring ladders etc). 

"This is one of the great tragedies of the Bush administration. The more successful they've been at intercepting and stopping bad guys, the less proof there is that we're in danger.... It's almost like they should every once in a while have allowed an attack to get through just to remind us."
- Newt Gingrich, at a book talk in Huntington, NY, April 2008, saying that Republicans should allow terrorist attacks on American soil to remind us of the dangers in the world.

I guess there is no difference between presenting a hypothetical example and actually advocating it.

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The first quote...
http://articles.latimes.com/1994-12-25/opinion/op-12904_1_family-values

The second quote...
http://www.examiner.com/la-county-libertarian-in-los-angeles/gingrich-who-once-suggested-govt-allow-attacks-amps-up-terrorism-fears-with-new-propaganda-film

The third quote...
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/17/opinion/17blow.html

The fourth quote...
http://americanhistoryquotes.com/gingrich_newt.htm

The fifth quote...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45371586/ns/local_news-detroit_mi/t/gingrich-laws-preventing-child-labor-are-truly-stupid/

I was referring to a transcript including more of what Newt said, not just the cherry picked quote.

As for the age of janitorial work, I chose 14 or 15 above just to get under the work permit law as I remembered it.  I had friends with paper routes.  I don't remember the exact age they started but they had been doing it for several years when the oldest one got his driver's license and we could use his family car to deliver 3 routes pretty quickly (Philadelphia Bulletin, mid 1960s afternoon paper).  I shoveled snow from sidewalks before I was 16.  I had a couple of regular customers but mostly the big kids (16 and up) got the roving jobs by going as a group and making short work of a sidewalk.  My most steady shoveling job was for a neighbor with a Porsche and a driveway with a slope to his garage.  He wanted it shoveled to the pavement.  Most of the big kids wouldn't do that.  I don't think it hurt me any.

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I checked this out somewhat:
http://americanhistoryquotes.com

I noticed no quotes from Obama or Biden.  A few from Pelosi were not controversial.  None from Reid.

I think this place has a bit of a bias.

[AquaMan]

Thanks for confirming my post.

Anyone who hasn't noticed the erratic behavior, the hypocrisy, the constantly morphing positions of Gingrich and not understood that this guy is a psuedo-intellectual political chameleon is just not paying attention. Its one thing to support a candidate because they match your philosophies of governing. Obama's philosophies match a lot of people and sometimes he disappoints them in his failure to perservere in the face of resolute yet mindless opposition. But with Gingrich, you never really know what the guy seriously believes. There is a reason his party has shunned him up till now when it appears the Mormon may actually outlast all the others. He takes on positions on an intellectual basis, then sheds them when they don't work with the party base.

Why would you defend him anyway?   

[guido911]

Thanks for confirming my post.

Anyone who hasn't noticed the erratic behavior, the hypocrisy, the constantly morphing positions of Gingrich and not understood that this guy is a psuedo-intellectual political chameleon is just not paying attention. Its one thing to support a candidate because they match your philosophies of governing. Obama's philosophies match a lot of people and sometimes he disappoints them in his failure to perservere in the face of resolute yet mindless opposition. But with Gingrich, you never really know what the guy seriously believes. There is a reason his party has shunned him up till now when it appears the Mormon may actually outlast all the others. He takes on positions on an intellectual basis, then sheds them when they don't work with the party base.

Why would you defend him anyway?   

I get your point. But has Gingrich been to 57 states yet?  In a debate, Newt would crush Obama--and I am not totally on board with him.

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Thanks for confirming my post.
Why would you defend him anyway?   

Why would anyone defend Pelosi, Reid, Boxer, ......

I too am not totally on board with Newt but given the choice between Newt or Obama, Obama would not get my vote.  It usually boils down to the candidate that disgusts you the least.  In my case, it's usually (but not always) a Republican.

Newt is not the only candidate out there on either side with some baggage.  Samsonite or American Tourister... make your choice.

[Red Arrow]

Obama's philosophies match a lot of people and sometimes he disappoints them in his failure to perservere in the face of resolute yet mindless opposition.

Spoken like a true lemming Democrat.