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[Conan71]

Gas your ruminations are dreamlike. You must be aware that your business analyses are not shared by the majority of business school grads. Mainly because they are framed by your political structure of thinking. You don't necessarily want what's best for the country, you want whats best for your political outlook. Therefore, you would vote for Satan's son as long as he followed your mantra of trickle down and feed the rich. That is why your party is going through such throes of agony over selecting a leader because your only goal is winning, not taking responsibility for past errors and leading the country out of its doldrums. Run Charlie Sheen for heaven's sake.

Let's take a for instance. Where does Gingrich stand on the Healthcare act (sorry for you cultists, "Obamacare")? Good luck with that. He's been all over the place with its primary features. Your assumption that the business world is holding its breath waiting for its repeal is part of accepted internet dogma. But when I spoke with family members who work for the country's largest health insurer this past holiday guess what? They are scared to death that the work they've spent the last five years preparing for this inevitable change in the way insurance works, will be blown away by ideological Republicans looking to get elected. I was told they have lobbyists frantically working in Washington to make sure these are just electioneering ploys, but they deeply fear they will be knee-capped by the Repubs.

Yes, anecdotal. Put enough anecdotes together and you have a novel.

Look. This is a guy who has been married three times, divorced twice and changed his religion to Catholicism. He cannot commit to anything for very long. He is an agent for paralysis in government. Taught others how to do it.

He is chaos.

Really?  Your values and associations haven't evolved over the years?  Show me one adult in their 50's or 60's who haven't evolved through relationships, religious, political, or professional affiliations.  Do you refer to every other breathing adult as "chaos"?

[Red Arrow]

Gas your ruminations are dreamlike. You must be aware that your business analyses are not shared by the majority of business school grads.

The ones who have run this county into the ground with short-sighted goals that ignore long term stability?

Switching mantras:

Mainly because they are framed by your political structure of thinking. You don't necessarily want what's best for the country, you want whats best for your political outlook. Therefore, you would vote for Satan's son as long as he followed your mantra of government can solve everything.   That is why your party is should be going through such throes of agony over selecting a an effective leader because your only goal is winning, not taking responsibility for present and past (Great Society...) errors and leading the country out of its doldrums and dependency of its constituents.

Let's take a for instance. Where does Gingrich stand on the Healthcare act (sorry for you cultists, "Obamacare")? Good luck with that. He's been all over the place with its primary features. Your assumption that the business world is holding its breath waiting for its repeal is part of accepted internet dogma. But when I spoke with family members who work for the country's largest health insurer this past holiday guess what? They are scared to death that the work they've spent the last five years preparing for this inevitable change in the way insurance works, will be blown away by ideological Republicans looking to get elected.

Regardless of whether it would be good for the average citizen in the long run.

I was told they have lobbyists frantically working in Washington to make sure these are just electioneering ploys, but they deeply fear they will be knee-capped by the Repubs for their bottom line.

Keep in mind that I am not a big fan of Newt but I see him as a better alternative to Obama. 

[Townsend]

http://news.yahoo.com/promises-promises-securing-us-border-impossible-071019604.html

Campaigning in Iowa last week, Gingrich signed a pledge to build a fence stretching the length of the border by the end of 2013. That may help him recover from a recent statement that illegal immigrants who have been established in the U.S. for many years should be allowed to remain in the country — a position his opponents have likened to amnesty.

Is that his "sure, I'll sign it, whatever..." technique to winning?

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Campaigning in Iowa last week, Gingrich signed a pledge to build a fence stretching the length of the border by the end of 2013. That may help him recover from a recent statement that illegal immigrants who have been established in the U.S. for many years should be allowed to remain in the country — a position his opponents have likened to amnesty.

Is that his "sure, I'll sign it, whatever..." technique to winning?

That's his fence to keep them in the USA.   

[AquaMan]

It is pretty humorous to see the conservatives on this site use the same rationale for supporting Gingrich that I and other Democrats have used in the past to explain our candidates apparent softness with little success. Things like, "personal indiscretions are not important to job performance", "people change their views over time as they mature". Why not use that rationale on Romney? Surely he has learned how the Massachusetts healthcare plan was ill conceived. Romney has changed his views on many things yet he gets no pass.

Makes one wonder if there isn't something else going on with the sudden conversion to the (Its A Wonderful Life) Potter lookalike.

[Gaspar]

Gas your ruminations are dreamlike. You must be aware that your business analyses are not shared by the majority of business school grads.

I suppose most of my clients are not business school grads.

[Red Arrow]

It is pretty humorous to see the conservatives on this site use the same rationale for supporting Gingrich that I and other Democrats have used in the past to explain our candidates apparent softness with little success. Things like, "personal indiscretions are not important to job performance", "people change their views over time as they mature". Why not use that rationale on Romney? Surely he has learned how the Massachusetts healthcare plan was ill conceived. Romney has changed his views on many things yet he gets no pass.

Makes one wonder if there isn't something else going on with the sudden conversion to the (Its A Wonderful Life) Potter lookalike.

In my case, I'm just having some fun throwing it back at ya. I've remember hearing that crap stuff since the 60s.  Sounds really silly when the other side says it, doesn't it?

[Red Arrow]

I suppose most of my clients are not business school grads.

Only if you are lucky.

[heironymouspasparagus]

The ones who have run this county into the ground with short-sighted goals that ignore long term stability?

That would be the Harvard School of Business in concert with the Republicontin party for the last 30 years.

[AquaMan]

Guys. Remember where you are. This is not reality. This is Tulsa. The LED red capitol of an LED red state.

Not likely you'll find many clients around here who haven't filtered their business education through their political coffee makers.

Best example lately I've seen comes from a metal building businessman over in West Tulsa who uses his brand new LED sign to advertise anti-Obama sentiments because its visible from I-75. "REPEAL OBAMACARE" etc. Never mind that its a waste of his investment, a chance to alienate potential customers and a wasted opportunity to, what, maybe sell Metal Buildings??!

Probably one of your clients.

[AquaMan]

In my case, I'm just having some fun throwing it back at ya. I've remember hearing that crap stuff since the 60s.  Sounds really silly when the other side says it, doesn't it?

Yes. Sounds silly when any side says it.

FWIW most all of my politics, morality and intellect is pretty much intact from that period of time. Yeah, some things have become clearer, some things calcified and other things just plain unavailable to me intellectually or physically. But unlike Newt, the older I get the less sure I am of anything.

[Red Arrow]

That would be the Harvard School of Business in concert with the Republicontin party for the last 30 years.

They didn't need any help.

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FWIW most all of my politics, morality and intellect is pretty much intact from that period of time.

Gee, I'm sorry to hear that.  (Just kidding, mostly.) 

[heironymouspasparagus]

Guys. Remember where you are. This is not reality. This is Tulsa. The LED red capitol of an LED red state.

Not likely you'll find many clients around here who haven't filtered their business education through their political coffee makers.

Best example lately I've seen comes from a metal building businessman over in West Tulsa who uses his brand new LED sign to advertise anti-Obama sentiments because its visible from I-75. "REPEAL OBAMACARE" etc. Never mind that its a waste of his investment, a chance to alienate potential customers and a wasted opportunity to, what, maybe sell Metal Buildings??!

Probably one of your clients.

Will have to drive by there sometime.  Is this the one just south of where I-44 splits to head east?  (MBI)

[Red Arrow]

Guys. Remember where you are. This is not reality. This is Tulsa Anytown USA. The LED red/blue capitol of an LED red/blue state.

Not likely you'll find many clients around here who haven't filtered their business education through their political coffee makers.

This is probably true pretty much anywhere.

Best example lately I've seen comes from a metal building businessman over in West Tulsa who uses his brand new LED sign to advertise anti-Obama sentiments because it's visible from I-75 US 75. "REPEAL OBAMACARE" etc. Never mind that its a waste of his investment, a chance to alienate potential customers and a wasted opportunity to, what, maybe sell Metal Buildings??!

If what you are trying to say about OK is/were true, then I would agree that it is a waste of money in that everyone (except you and and a few others) already feels that way.  It will probably not alienate potential customers and may in fact attract some in a feeling of brotherhood.

It's a possibility.