Support changes to the trash system...

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Actually pigs are not filthy.  The mud wallow thing is misinterpreted.

[Conan71]

"Pigs are filthy animals, they sleep and root in their own sh!t..."

[Red Arrow]

"Pigs are filthy animals, they sleep and root in their own sh!t..."

Wild pigs too?  I thought I'd heard differently but I could be wrong on this one.

[Skeptic]

TWO POINTS I NEED RESOLVED BEFORE SUPPORTING THIS:

CNG VEHICLESI definitely want prices to remain stable but find issue with the CNG vehicle movement.  Reason being, CNG is not necessarily 'cleaner' than diesel, is definitely not more efficient and while the industry is heavily regulated, does cause environmental damage when obtained, refined and transported.

A new fleet of trucks will be purchased and that purchase will be subsidized but only for the first purchase.  After that, they're full price and the cost will be passed to us.  A fueling station will have to be built for the trucks.  Where will it be built?  What happens if it's built in-town and there's leak? Natural gas is considered highly volatile (diesel considered moderately volatile) and CNG/LNG can become a cloud of highly flammable vapors if leakage occurs.  But, if the station isn't built near town, the trucks will burn much of the fuel travelling to the pickups.  Will this mean more CNG trucks than diesel will have to be bought to manage the fuel inefficiency?  What about the size of the fuel tanks? Will they be so large in order to go the same distance as the diesel trucks that the volume of trash held by each truck decreases?

Why not use drop-in fuels for the diesel trucks we already have?  Why not use clean diesel? We have bio-fuel companies here in NE OK, who contract with the government, why not look into those?  They can be used as drop in fuels.  So can propane - its cheap too. 

Why switch completely off one system when we could enjoy the benefits of using a variable of fuels?

www.hsph.harvard.edu/Organizations/hcra/diesel/diesel.pdf - its some information on Natural Gas versus Diesel as fuels.

What if EPA standards change in regards to Natural Gas?  Will we have spent all this capital on building infrastructure and new fleet only to be wasted or become more expensive to adhere to regulations?

ONCE A WEEK PICKUP PROBLEMS
It gets very hot in the summer.  Will that mean my trash is going to bake for a week? That's going to stink.  I realize the containers will have lids but raccoons, opossum, dogs and cats can still manage to get in these.  Will all that sitting trash attract more pests?  Like rats?

If I buy the smallest container but have a little extra to throw out, will there also be different sizes of bags I can buy?  Why would I want to pay for 'one size fits all' bags if I only fill the lower third of the bag? 

Just needing some more info here - I frankly don't understand where the numbers are coming from, especially in regards to switching to CNG. 

[AquaMan]

CNG is going to be a huge problem. I don't know why the city is intent on converting all the fleet to gas but I can only guess it has something to do with Oneok or a really short sighted analysis of cost. All one needs to do is contact the lower to middle level employees of current CNG powered fleets. For large vehicles, its a failure. The mileage is not better, especially in winter when long warmup times are necessary or the vehicles stall. Conversion of existing vehicles is expensive and problem prone. Vehicles designed from scratch are better but still no advantage in mileage or reliability. Diesel vehicles are superior in almost all categories...reliability, longevity, performance, mileage and safety. They only do poorly in availability of fuel (though good luck finding a CNG pump easily)and cost per gallon but that is not enough to make up for the negatives. You are limited to filling up at your base location which usually has only one pumping system that is expensive to maintain and repair. It takes a long time to build up enough pressure to fill your tanks. Hear me now and listen later.

As far as the once a week pickup, I often neglect to get mine out in time and find that it has little impact on smell. But then we try to make sure there isn't any really messy stuff in the can since it attracts dogs, cats and coons.

[godboko71]

One a week is fine for us we already have it and hardly fill the bin once a month.

[BKDotCom]

One a week is fine for us we already have it and hardly fill the bin once a month.

Ditto.
I've lived in Jenks (which has the once a week bin) for 10 years and think it's great.
I often go several weeks without wheeling the bin to the curb.
Certainly never had an issue with any stink or critters.

Haven't been following the hubbub with trash service too closley, but apparently there's a lot of opposition to the once a week bin service.   Simply fear of the unknown if you ask me.  or FUD coming from the current provider.

[Hoss]

Ditto.
I've lived in Jenks (which has the once a week bin) for 10 years and think it's great.
I often go several weeks without wheeling the bin to the curb.
Certainly never had an issue with any stink or critters.

Haven't been following the hubbub with trash service too closley, but apparently there's a lot of opposition to the once a week bin service.   Simply fear of the unknown if you ask me.  or FUD coming from the current provider.

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Part of Tulsa already has once a week service.  You don't hear the outcry there, do you?

[RecycleMichael]

This is an important week for this issue. It appears there is a resolution in a lawsuit that postponed awarding contracts that was scheduled for Monday. TARE has posted an emergency meeting for tomorrow morning to appearantly award contract to low bidder and the City Council has a meeting scheduled for Tuesday morning to appearantly approve moving forward on having the city purchase the carts.

[Townsend]

So a commercial I saw this morning on NBC stated that we'd have the choice of once or twice weekly pickup and numerous recycle choices along with the can sizes.

How are they doing the "you can choose between once or twice a week" thing?

[Hoss]

So a commercial I saw this morning on NBC stated that we'd have the choice of once or twice weekly pickup and numerous recycle choices along with the can sizes.

How are they doing the "you can choose between once or twice a week" thing?

They're charging extra for twice a week service; once a week is standard service, from my understanding.

[Townsend]

They're charging extra for twice a week service; once a week is standard service, from my understanding.

So my neighbor can get an extra day a week and the guys on route are supposed to track this?  What if only three people in my entire hood want twice a week?  They still come in and grab that trash?  It's a big neighborhood.

[Hoss]

So my neighbor can get an extra day a week and the guys on route are supposed to track this?  What if only three people in my entire hood want twice a week?  They still come in and grab that trash?  It's a big neighborhood.

Hey, I ain't the logistics dude for this, I just report!

[Conan71]

So my neighbor can get an extra day a week and the guys on route are supposed to track this?  What if only three people in my entire hood want twice a week?  They still come in and grab that trash?  It's a big neighborhood.

I suspect they will use a curb "tag" just like they do to denote "backyard" service.  I believe it's a red spray paint spot for BY service. 

[carltonplace]

So my neighbor can get an extra day a week and the guys on route are supposed to track this?  What if only three people in my entire hood want twice a week?  They still come in and grab that trash?  It's a big neighborhood.

99% of residents will choose the once per week pickup due to price and then 50% of those will gripe about only having once per week pickup.