Should pseudoephedrine be by prescription only in Oklahoma?

[Conan71]

Sure, for allergy sufferers. For those of us with colds that fill our nasal cavities full of mucous, however, the only (known) relief is pseudoephedrine. I have found neti pots worthless, unfortunately.

And FWIW, pseudoephedrine is not necessary to make meth, it just makes it easier to do without a real lab.

Considering the vast majority of tweakers don't have access to a real lab, I think it's safe to say that most domestic meth production requires pseudoephedrine.  

Guaifenesen (sp?) works well on nasal congestion especially if you take it with some ibuprofen to ease swelling of the membranes, it's what I've used ever since they put Sudafed behind the counter. Give it a shot, it won't leave you feeling all jangled or affect sleep either.  A neti-pot is good for flushing out allergens, but I've never found it to be a benefit for congestion other than temporarily thinning out thick mucous deposits.

[dbacks fan]

Coricidin HBP works for me. I've gotten my BP under control with weight loss and diet changes, amongst other things, but it works well for colds.

[Red Arrow]

For those of us with colds that fill our nasal cavities full of mucous,

That's it, blame the mucous.....

[patric]

Every couple of months, there's some "get tough solution" where one entity or another pushing new legislation that makes it harder to do something that was legal, or giving someone more power/money/etc. to eliminate the meth problem, and each time we fall for it hook. line and sinker.

Tell you what, lets set some quotas of our own:  Set an expiration date on new legislation (like cold medicine bans) requiring a vote of the people to extend it.  If it works, good.  If it doesnt. we wont continue to be burdened with someone's failures.

[nathanm]

Considering the vast majority of tweakers don't have access to a real lab, I think it's safe to say that most domestic meth production requires pseudoephedrine.  

Guaifenesen (sp?) works well on nasal congestion especially if you take it with some ibuprofen to ease swelling of the membranes, it's what I've used ever since they put Sudafed behind the counter. Give it a shot, it won't leave you feeling all jangled or affect sleep either.  A neti-pot is good for flushing out allergens, but I've never found it to be a benefit for congestion other than temporarily thinning out thick mucous deposits.

I actually do also use Guafenesin, but it only really works on chest congestion for me, not nasal, which I find to be far more difficult to deal with. It's the guafenesin and pseudoephedrine combo that makes it possible for me to engage my brain when I'm sick. Personally, I don't get jittery from Sudafed unless I have to take more than one at a time. It's a miracle drug, as far as I'm concerned. I don't even so much mind it being behind the counter or having my purchases tracked, although I think the limits are a little low. I would, however, mind very much if I had to go see a doctor, pay a bunch of money, and chance catching an even worse bug for a three day cold.

I'd really rather not be forced to smuggle enough Advil Cold & Sinus into the state from Arkansas or Florida to make sure I always have a decent stock.

Requiring a prescription only for pseudoephedrine-only pills might be a solution, but it screws the people who can't take NSAIDs and Tylenol. (a combination stomach and liver problems can leave you unable to take either) Luckily for me, I'm not in that situation.

[Red Arrow]

Personally, I don't get jittery from Sudafed unless I have to take more than one at a time.

I used to use it since it is allowable to use and then fly.  A few years ago it started to affect my pulse and blood pressure so I had to quit it.  Fortunately, generic non-drowsy stuff and the nose flush usually work for me.  If you are already stopped up, the nose flush cannot get through.

[custosnox]

I'm all kinds of stuffed up.  I decided to take one of the good allergy pills I have, not pseudoephedrine, to help out with it.  I am not sneezing left and right, but that is about the only thing it did for me.  Still can't breath.  Pretty much what all of the other stuff does for me.

[Conan71]

I actually do also use Guafenesin, but it only really works on chest congestion for me, not nasal, which I find to be far more difficult to deal with. It's the guafenesin and pseudoephedrine combo that makes it possible for me to engage my brain when I'm sick. Personally, I don't get jittery from Sudafed unless I have to take more than one at a time. It's a miracle drug, as far as I'm concerned. I don't even so much mind it being behind the counter or having my purchases tracked, although I think the limits are a little low. I would, however, mind very much if I had to go see a doctor, pay a bunch of money, and chance catching an even worse bug for a three day cold.

I'd really rather not be forced to smuggle enough Advil Cold & Sinus into the state from Arkansas or Florida to make sure I always have a decent stock.

Requiring a prescription only for pseudoephedrine-only pills might be a solution, but it screws the people who can't take NSAIDs and Tylenol. (a combination stomach and liver problems can leave you unable to take either) Luckily for me, I'm not in that situation.

Interesting how the chemistry in allergy and cold meds affects everyone differently.  I know people who actually get hyped up on Benadryl and Sudafed makes them drowsy.

There are always going to be people who feel screwed with some sort of ban or restriction on a popular remedy.  I think you simply have to weigh the benefit against the risk of nefarious uses.  We never hear about people who are helped by pseudo ephedrine only those who are harmed by it so it's easier to have a reaction that it's bad.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Leave it to a few disgusting maggots to ruin something good for everyone.

Given the adverse effects on a significant number of people that will ensue due to the difficulties of obtaining pseudo-fed, add this to the list of reasons to make the penalties for cooking meth just that much harsher.  Personally, I think making it a mandatory life in prison is in order - if we don't have the will to make it a capital offense.

[DolfanBob]

Considering the vast majority of tweakers don't have access to a real lab, I think it's safe to say that most domestic meth production requires pseudoephedrine.  

Guaifenesen (sp?) works well on nasal congestion especially if you take it with some ibuprofen to ease swelling of the membranes, it's what I've used ever since they put Sudafed behind the counter. Give it a shot, it won't leave you feeling all jangled or affect sleep either.  A neti-pot is good for flushing out allergens, but I've never found it to be a benefit for congestion other than temporarily thinning out thick mucous deposits.

Uh oh ! looks like there might be a draw back to using those tea pot booger flusher's.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2074957/Deaths-brain-eating-amoeba-linked-sinus-remedy-colds.html#ixzz1gjVkWxk0

[Red Arrow]

Uh oh ! looks like there might be a draw back to using those tea pot booger flusher's.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2074957/Deaths-brain-eating-amoeba-linked-sinus-remedy-colds.html#ixzz1gjVkWxk0

Duh, follow directions.

It follows two recent deaths - a 51-year-old woman and a 20-year-old man from the 'brain-eating amoeba' Naegleria fowleri.
It is thought the amoeba entered their brains when they used the devices.
Both victims are thought to have used tap water, instead of distilled or sterilised water as recommended by the manufacturers.
Dr Raoult Ratard, Louisiana State Epidemiologist, said: 'If you are irrigating, flushing, or rinsing your sinuses, for example, by using a neti pot, use distilled, sterile or previously boiled water to make up the irrigation solution.
'Tap water is safe for drinking, but not for irrigating your nose.'
He added that it is important to rinse the irrigation device after each use and leave open to air dry.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2074957/Deaths-brain-eating-amoeba-linked-sinus-remedy-colds.html#ixzz1glAQOWcg

[nathanm]

Emphasis on the previously! It wouldn't surprise me if some dope pours boiling water in their nose sometime.

[Red Arrow]

Duh, follow directions.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2074957/Deaths-brain-eating-amoeba-linked-sinus-remedy-colds.html#ixzz1glAQOWcg

If the important stuff is not in the first paragraphs, it's poor reporting.

[AquaMan]

If the important stuff is not in the first paragraphs, it's poor reporting.

So, you do read my posts.

Internet journalism doesn't always require a degree in journalism or anything else really. Nonetheless, the most important parts of that story were in the first few paragraphs. The details followed or were left out.

Speaking of poor journalism, does anyone know why the East Central coach resigned? Local Fox spent five minutes talking about how sad everyone was that he was stepping down without ever explaining why.

[Red Arrow]

So, you do read my posts.

I don't believe I said I wouldn't.  I may not respond to them.  I may not get out of them what you intended but I almost always read them.