Another Omnibus Spending Bill

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Halogen bulbs are more efficient than "normal" incandescent bulbs so they emit more light per watt than "normal" bulbs.  I don't have the exact numbers but replacing a 60W "normal" bulb with a 43W Halogen is probably close enough.  The halogen bulbs I have used for automobile headlights also typically appear to be more white than the old sealed beam bulbs.  Do you have some color info Patric?

Replacing a 60W incandescent bulb with a same technology 40W bulb is not increasing efficiency.  You will use less energy but you will also get less light.  Would you add a fixture or some bulbs to make up for the less light per bulb?  A lower wattage with the same technology is a lot like turning the house heater thermostat down.  Less light, cooler house (in the winter).

Edit: found this on Wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halogen_lamp

[patric]

Halogen bulbs are more efficient than "normal" incandescent bulbs so they emit more light per watt than "normal" bulbs.  I don't have the exact numbers but replacing a 60W "normal" bulb with a 43W Halogen is probably close enough.  The halogen bulbs I have used for automobile headlights also typically appear to be more white than the old sealed beam bulbs.  Do you have some color info Patric?

Replacing a 60W incandescent bulb with a same technology 40W bulb is not increasing efficiency.  You will use less energy but you will also get less light.  Would you add a fixture or some bulbs to make up for the less light per bulb?  A lower wattage with the same technology is a lot like turning the house heater thermostat down.  Less light, cooler house (in the winter).

The Sylvania chart was to illustrate some of the options, but I also disagree with their incandescent-to-incandescent substitutions.

Halogen lamps can burn at higher temperatures than Tungsten lamps, which can result in an upward color shift.  Since it's still well within the incandescent range it's not a problem (nor considered a "blue rich" source like Metal Halide or Mercury Vapor)

"When we say a lamp has a Color Temperature of 3000 Kelvins, it means a glowing metal at 3000 Kelvins would produce light of about the same color as the lamp. Instead, if the metal is heated to 4100 Kelvins, it will produce a much whiter light. Direct sunlight corresponds to about 5300 Kelvins while daylight, which has the blue from the sky mixed in, is typically 6000 Kelvins or above. A standard incandescent lamp has a filament at 2700 Kelvins, and therefore (by definition) a Color Temperature of 2700 Kelvins." 

"Daylight" colors at night = bad for body clock.

[Conan71]

i.e., the GOP just screwed American bulb makers. 
Good jobs strategy, guys.

I think American bulb makers are kind of like the tooth fairy.

They don't exist.

[Hoss]

I think American bulb makers are kind of like the tooth fairy.

They don't exist.

In an effort to lighten the mood, here's some Marshall schwag just so I can say we I drifted this thread and got the obligatory Marshall reference in..



Ok, carry on.

[Conan71]

Awesome!  I'm sure Eric would be proud!

[Hoss]

Awesome!  I'm sure Eric would be proud!

He was up there today; I got a chance to talk with him for a while before I checked those out.  Ultra nice guy.  Taller than he looks in pictures; I'm guessing about 6'4".  He's trying to find his second in the 'el loco gringo' series of beers (the one that started with the El Cucuy).

[patric]

I think American bulb makers are kind of like the tooth fairy.
They don't exist.

I think Aerolights is still making bulbs in Illinois, and for some reason Texas representative Michael Burgess frantically rushed a bill to Governor Perry's desk to exempt Texas bulb manufacturers from federal laws.

Interesting to see how this is being reported by different factions:


Washington Times:
"When the American people gave Republicans control of the House in January, one of the major issues involved was the Democratic ban on the 100 watt bulb," said Rep. Michael Burgess, who fought to preserve the incandescent bulb. "Republicans have fulfilled our promise to the American people by allowing them to continue to be able to choose what type of bulb they use at home.

New York Times:
"This was one of those things that resonated with a lot of people, especially in the election of 2010, where so much personal liberty had been eroded," said Representative Michael C. Burgess, Republican of Texas, a state that recently passed a law to exempt bulbs made and sold within its borders from the federal standards.
Yet in some ways, despite all the heated rhetoric and political brinksmanship, the delay hardly matters. The looming possibility of the new standards, signed into law by President Bush in 2007 — and the fact that places like Europe, Australia, Brazil and China have already put similar measures in place or intend to do so — has transformed the industry. A host of more efficient products already line store shelves and poke out of light sockets.

USA Today:
The light bulb rules were approved with bi-partisan support and signed by President George Bush in 2007. Yet this year, House Republicans and conservative commentator Rush Limbaugh have attacked them as a ban on all incandescents and an infringement on individual rights.

[JCnOwasso]

"Another Omnibus Spending Bill" has resulted in 2 pages of discussion on light bulbs.  Oh how I love TNF.  Honestly I am happy that we won't be dealing with this crap in 2 months... or will we?  Did congress only pass a 2 month extension on the payroll tax break and unemployment, and they want Obama to make a decision on the Keystone Pipeline?  This is the crap that should be settled before the election.  I am an O supporter, but I want him to make a decision, either way, on this topic.  Ruffle some dang feathers!  Approve the pipeline, or don't... Just Do It. 

[Conan71]

"Another Omnibus Spending Bill" has resulted in 2 pages of discussion on light bulbs.  Oh how I love TNF.  Honestly I am happy that we won't be dealing with this crap in 2 months... or will we?  Did congress only pass a 2 month extension on the payroll tax break and unemployment, and they want Obama to make a decision on the Keystone Pipeline?  This is the crap that should be settled before the election.  I am an O supporter, but I want him to make a decision, either way, on this topic.  Ruffle some dang feathers!  Approve the pipeline, or don't... Just Do It. 

There was a brief segue into Marshall's, don't forget.

[heironymouspasparagus]

We have 2 bulb, 60w (each) max incandescent fixtures on both the back porch and front porch.  Except when they burn out, they light instantly.  They also require horizontal mounting.  Heiron says that doesn't matter.  I haven't checked lately but the last time I did, CFL didn't like horizontal.

The ones that didn't fit were the flood/spot fixtures.

Edit: added "each"

I said I have put them in upside down and sideways and they seem to work the same.  But then I am a contrarian when it comes to someone telling me how to do stuff.  I figure if it works, I don't care what they say.  So far, they work fine.  (Have 3 upside down and only one sideways, so that is not much of a representative sample.)

[heironymouspasparagus]

"Another Omnibus Spending Bill" has resulted in 2 pages of discussion on light bulbs.  Oh how I love TNF.  Honestly I am happy that we won't be dealing with this crap in 2 months... or will we?  Did congress only pass a 2 month extension on the payroll tax break and unemployment, and they want Obama to make a decision on the Keystone Pipeline?  This is the crap that should be settled before the election.  I am an O supporter, but I want him to make a decision, either way, on this topic.  Ruffle some dang feathers!  Approve the pipeline, or don't... Just Do It. 

No, they passed a two month extension to the time before light bulbs are banned.

[guido911]

Listen to this adult rant:

[Conan71]

Listen to this adult rant:

McDermott looks like he's about ripe for the eternal dirt nap.

Talk about some bad hyperbole.