Broken Arrow Casino -

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Last Updated on: 01-Aug-11

Administrative Contact:
Diaz, Sheila sheila@sjdandcompany.com
SJD & Company Media Solutions
8405 Belize Place
Wellington, Florida 33414
United States
(561) 290-8463

Technical Contact:
Diaz, Sheila sheila@sjdandcompany.com
SJD & Company Media Solutions
8405 Belize Place
Wellington, Florida 33414
United States
(561) 290-8463

At least need to get some spam bots going for her...

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[LandArchPoke]

They're building this pretty close to my mother's house and I know a bunch of the people around there and they are all pretty livid.

Can the city not deny them the connection to city utilities even if the tribe would be paying for it? Or would this be classified as discrimination?

*Just to clarify I don't think casino's really cause all the crime and horrible things these people associate with them, I'm not really for or against this project*

[Hoss]

They're building this pretty close to my mother's house and I know a bunch of the people around there and they are all pretty livid.

Can the city not deny them the connection to city utilities even if the tribe would be paying for it? Or would this be classified as discrimination?

*Just to clarify I don't think casino's really cause all the crime and horrible things these people associate with them, I'm not really for or against this project*

I'm sure they could deny them services, but then you'd likely not only draw the ire of one tribe, but of many.  And the negative publicity that goes along with it, which in the long run, might affect what businesses would decide when making initial locating choices or relocating choices.

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"Occupy The Indians"?

[Hoss]

"Occupy The Indians"?

Like it or not, the Native American lobby is one of the largest in the country.  Let's not forget who Jack Abramoff lobbied for.

[DolfanBob]

My other half's boss is "Gay". He told her yesterday that he can't stand Broken Arrow because if they are trying to stop the Indian's building a Casino then they obveously would discriminate against Gay people.
I can just imagine what my face looked like when I went. Wait....What ?

[Red Arrow]

My other half's boss is "Gay". He told her yesterday that he can't stand Broken Arrow because if they are trying to stop the Indian's building a Casino then they obveously would discriminate against Gay people.
I can just imagine what my face looked like when I went. Wait....What ?

Not so obvious to me either.

[patric]

I can just imagine what my face looked like when I went. Wait....What ?

Was your reaction something like this?

[custosnox]

My other half's boss is "Gay". He told her yesterday that he can't stand Broken Arrow because if they are trying to stop the Indian's building a Casino then they obveously would discriminate against Gay people.
I can just imagine what my face looked like when I went. Wait....What ?

[Townsend]

So how's this thing going?  I've been out of the loop.

[Conan71]

So how's this thing going?  I've been out of the loop.

So have the residents of Broken Arrow, apparently.

[Townsend]

So have the residents of Broken Arrow, apparently.

Funny you say that.  I asked some friends in BA how they felt about it and none of them really knew where it was going to be built.  I sent the map.  They were surprised and then said "I bet so and so in that neighborhood is going to be pissed.".

[Conan71]

Tulsa World article states the owners of the land will receive $18 million in rent the first year and the lease increases from there.  Not bad for a 20 acre plot.  However, there may be some legal snags to come yet.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20111229_14_A1_ULNSbO232703

I'm somewhat familiar with the tribal town system as my stepfather was the town king of the Thlopthlocco Tribal Town in the 1970's and 1980's.  His father was principal chief of the Creek Nation in the 1940's.  The three Creek tribal towns are all headquartered around the Wetumka and Holdenville area and are relatively small sub-sets of the Creek Nation and as a legal entity, I believe, they are essentially recognized as their own tribe which benefits from a relationship with the Creek Nation.  The tribal town is not defined so much as a geographical entity but by it's membership.  Still it seems pretty incongruous to me that a tribe with most of it's population centered in central Oklahoma can simply take out a lease on land that was part of a land grant to a Creek member- not a member if the Kialegee Tribal Town.

[DolfanBob]

A famous Philosopher once said.  "If you own anything but land, You own a popcorn fart"

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"But since the ground lease wasn't approved, Figueredo has said the arrangement has been structured between the landowners and the Kialegee Tribal Town in a different way, but he declined to say what that was" I am sure there is a loophole somewhere in there...