Class Warfare

[heironymouspasparagus]

Spoken like a true union card carrying liberal.  Mutually agreeable terms for a contract are frequently made under duress so I don't think it is realistic to dismiss the greed on both sides rhetoric.

Oh, pullleeeeaaazzzzeeee!!  What duress is any company under?  None.  The is NO law that says they have to agree to any kind of union demand or contract whatsoever.  No matter what The Disciples of The Script would have you believe.  Nobody has ever said that the owners of a company has to stay in business or keep losing money just to make a contract.

It is a mutually agreed to situation entered into voluntarily by both parties.  Just because the management is so incompetent they hurt the company entering into that agreement only points to the grotesque injustice engendered by the fact that we (that's you, too) have to subsidize that incompetence with a tax deduction for the pay and bonuses and ISO's of that same management. 

[heironymouspasparagus]

Benefits change?  Many places add a week of vacation at 5 years.

Not sure.  They also don't get 40 hours a week.  Average about 34 to 36.  Will have to ask about that in more detail.  No laws about 5 year becoming "full time", so maybe it is  a company thing.

[Red Arrow]

Oh, pullleeeeaaazzzzeeee!! ...  

Standard Heiron script number 11.   (I like  prime numbers.)

[heironymouspasparagus]

Standard Heiron script number 11.   (I like  prime numbers.)

Deflection/dissemination alert!  Trying to deflect attention form the topic without addressing original point....

[Red Arrow]

Deflection/dissemination alert!  Trying to deflect attention form the topic without addressing original point....

Sure I did. It's the same as when jokes go around the office so many times that you just say a number, everyone knows which joke it is and laughs.  No need for details.

[RecycleMichael]

I tried that and said "21" to the crowd. Everybody just stared at me. I asked why and they said, "you told it wrong".

[Hoss]

I tried that and said "21" to the crowd. Everybody just stared at me. I asked why and they said, "you told it wrong".

I like pie!

[we vs us]

Spoken like a true union card carrying liberal.  Mutually agreeable terms for a contract are frequently made under duress so I don't think it is realistic to dismiss the greed on both sides rhetoric.

What's the problem with duress?  What's the problem with marshalling all your legal leverage to advance your interests?  If you subscribe to classical models of capitalism -- and I know you do -- then you agree that Management will always try to minimize costs in order to increase their profit.  Labor is, of course, a primary cost, and management will always try to minimize it.  Why wouldn't Labor, understanding this dynamic, try to fight back?

Also, why is it hard not to see the inherent conflict in this?  Duress on one side or the other is baked into the cake. 

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What's the problem with duress?  What's the problem with marshalling all your legal leverage to advance your interests?  If you subscribe to classical models of capitalism -- and I know you do -- then you agree that Management will always try to minimize costs in order to increase their profit.  Labor is, of course, a primary cost, and management will always try to minimize it.  Why wouldn't Labor, understanding this dynamic, try to fight back?

Also, why is it hard not to see the inherent conflict in this?  Duress on one side or the other is baked into the cake. 

I see the inherent conflict and accept that it will be there.  The greed is on both sides as you described above.  What problem do you have with "I don't think it is realistic to dismiss the greed on both sides rhetoric."?  That was my point.

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I like pie!

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[heironymouspasparagus]

How about some cat warfare?

I think I prefer the guys at the Occupy sites that crap on police cars to these people.  Much higher class of person.  But hey, it's an Arkansas RWRE.  What can 'ya say?

http://news.yahoo.com/arkansas-democrats-cat-killed-painted-liberal-211435575.html