Republican voters in South Carolina presidential primary are all white

[AquaMan]

Grich is busy making moderate as bad a word as Liberal. Perhaps we should just call anyone with moderate views, pragmatics or realists or even something made up. Just keep changing the names till he gets tired.  How about Fabulists?

[Townsend]

How about Fabulists?

That's who threw glitter all over Romney yesterday.

[AquaMan]

Yeah, like he never put glitter in his hair before....

[heironymouspasparagus]

There's really no other logical way to deal with immigration.  Trying to round up millions of illegal aliens and return them to their homelands would be an expensive and impossible proposition.  The first leader who gets real on immigration reform earns a voting bloc of millions of Hispanics for their party.  If Romney wins, he would do well to approach immigration in this way.  However, based on his previous statements on immigration, I'm not sure he will.  So what if he pisses off the far right of the GOP?  They account for maybe 20% of the total American Electorate.  He could have a second term election much like Reagan did in 1984 if the economy had turned around and he made immigration reform his landmark legacy bill.

Republican politicians would do well to figure something out about the far right wing of the party by seeing what Democrats have figured out about the far left wing of their party: you don't have to pander to the extremes of the party because there is simply no way a staunch liberal would shift support to the GOP and vice versa.  

I hear far more about liberals complaining that Democrats sold them out with moderate policies than I do the far right saying the GOP sold them out.  The reason being is that GOP members keep playing to the far right instead of adopting a more moderate approach which is what is needed to get the country moving in the right direction again.  

I'm probably the most moderate person on TNF.  I don't really consider my views ever as partisan, just common sense.  There are some parts of traditional GOP dogma I agree with and some parts of traditional Democrat dogma I agree with.  I'm what I self-describe as a fiscal conservative and social liberal.

I suppose I'm the result of what happens when a Democrat marries a Republican.  My dad was a Democrat because if he wanted to go anywhere politically back in the 1960's in Oklahoma, he had to be a Democrat.  I actually used to have views which aligned much more with the right, but I've become more of a Libertarian as I've gotten older.

I pretty much agree completely.  With similar family background.



Democrats have pretty well abandoned far left - evidenced by the fact that they elected a Republican President (Obama).

[Conan71]

I think Obama risked far too much of his legacy on health care reform which has left many on the far left unhappy and pretty much everyone on the right unhappy.

In terms of legacy, he would have been better served with immigration reform which he probably could have gotten through with Dem majorities in '09 and '10.

[Teatownclown]

I think Obama risked far too much of his legacy on health care reform which has left many on the far left unhappy and pretty much everyone on the right unhappy.

In terms of legacy, he would have been better served with immigration reform which he probably could have gotten through with Dem majorities in '09 and '10.

I call bs.... 30,000,000 more Americans now have health insurance. Had the doctors and big pharma not taken advantage of the population, reform would never have been possible. These two can no longer abuse the system. As far as the Insurance industry, single payer will eventually replace them.

[Conan71]

I call bs.... 30,000,000 more Americans now have health insurance. Had the doctors and big pharma not taken advantage of the population, reform would never have been possible. These two can no longer abuse the system. As far as the Insurance industry, single payer will eventually replace them.

I call BS on your BS call.  Those 30 million don't all have coverage as of yet and you'd be a fool to believe that suddenly big insurance, big pharma, and big medicine aren't still driving medicine.  Just wait.  If it ever does go single payer, you can bet it's going to be the result of big time corruption and will come with a necessary increase in cost that follows when competition is eliminated.  I hope like hell I'm wrong, but there's a whole lot of rainbows and unicorns that got sold to the public in  health care "reform"

[Teatownclown]

  I hope like hell I'm wrong, but there's a whole lot of rainbows and unicorns that got sold to the public in  health care "reform"

Huh? Like what?

Sorry, we've been down this road. Health Care got dicked up when advertisement it became "capitalistic"...

To get back on topic, at least white people showed up to vote in SC unlike Floreeduh. If I were head of the DNC, my focus would be on the Congressional elections. No need to get in the way of a Presidential landslide.

[heironymouspasparagus]

I think Obama risked far too much of his legacy on health care reform which has left many on the far left unhappy and pretty much everyone on the right unhappy.

It would be comical if it weren't so tragically ignorant the way some people I work with talk about that bill.  It has done me no good whatsoever, but I work with over a dozen guys - and there are probably more that I don't know about, it's a big place - who go on and on about it, but guess what?  Their kids between 21 and 26 are now back on the insurance.

Seems kind of counter productive as well as hypocritical and disingenuous to grumble about something that has done one so much good.  But most Okies are that way...as we can see by our election results.

[Gaspar]

I work with over a dozen guys - and there are probably more that I don't know about, it's a big place. . .

Sounds like a real sausage-fest!

[Red Arrow]

It would be comical if it weren't so tragically ignorant the way some people I work with talk about that bill.  It has done me no good whatsoever, but I work with over a dozen guys - and there are probably more that I don't know about, it's a big place - who go on and on about it, but guess what?  Their kids between 21 and 26 are now back on the insurance.
Seems kind of counter productive as well as hypocritical and disingenuous to grumble about something that has done one so much good.  But most Okies are that way...as we can see by our election results.

They appear to be following the Warren Buffett example.

[heironymouspasparagus]

They appear to be following the Warren Buffett example.

You would too, if you had kids.  Guaranteed.

[Red Arrow]

You would too, if you had kids.  Guaranteed.

No doubt, if I had kids and they were still 26 or less.

My comment was more along the line of WB having every right to complain about the tax rates and then take advantage of them but it's not fair for others to complain about his words/actions

AND.....

I got the impression you were complaining about your co-workers' hypocrisy which I see as no different than WB.

[heironymouspasparagus]

I got the impression you were complaining about your co-workers' hypocrisy which I see as no different than WB.

Not complaining, just observing the dichotomy of how a person can say one thing, then do another.  If they had the conviction of their beliefs that the health care law was wrong, they would not partake.  Anything else is hypocritical.

They are not required by tax law to use those items, whereas Warren Buffet and his organization is required by law to use the tax code the way it is written.  With no hypocrisy whatsoever, he can comment that it is unfair and advocate change.

What you are saying is that it is hypocritical for me to advocate decriminalization of marijuana without actually using it.

[Red Arrow]

They are not required by tax law to use those items, whereas Warren Buffet and his organization is required by law to use the tax code the way it is written.  With no hypocrisy whatsoever, he can comment that it is unfair and advocate change.

The laws prescribe the minimum amount he is required to pay.  Part of his claim of being unfair is that he is not paying enough.  He could pay more.