Keystone XL Pipeline

[heironymouspasparagus]

And yet, the newly elected US Liar,....er, uh, Senator....is still making mewling sounds about the thousands of new jobs!  Well, I am curious as to exactly what it is about this state that prides itself on having the Ten Commandments on the Capital grounds, then repeatedly elects so MANY people who regularly, systematically, and intentionally break number 9...?

How is that hypocrisy and self-deception resolved in their minds??  It is a puzzle... one I will likely never understand.


Not to mention the Adulteress In Chief that has now been elected twice.... number 7 on the to 10 list as well as number 9.

[Conan71]

Keystone XL Work Already Completed in Oklahoma

http://publicradiotulsa.org/post/keystone-xl-work-already-completed-oklahoma



So I guess anyone pushing for this as a massive jobs creator for Oklahoma could move on to the next project.

In Oklahoma, it might support a grand total of ten or so jobs.

[Breadburner]

And yet, the newly elected US Liar,....er, uh, Senator....is still making mewling sounds about the thousands of new jobs!  Well, I am curious as to exactly what it is about this state that prides itself on having the Ten Commandments on the Capital grounds, then repeatedly elects so MANY people who regularly, systematically, and intentionally break number 9...?

How is that hypocrisy and self-deception resolved in their minds??  It is a puzzle... one I will likely never understand.


Not to mention the Adulteress In Chief that has now been elected twice.... number 7 on the to 10 list as well as number 9.

When you figure it out,Cabbage...Let us know.....!!!

[heironymouspasparagus]

Just used Google Earth to look at the paths involved.  To take oil from Alberta to Houston to Panama Canal means the oil is going to move about 4,000 miles just to get to the entrance to the Canal.  Versus about 580 miles to get to the Pacific on the west side of Canada.

Then, when loaded on a ship and taken to China, add about 6,000 miles shipping from Canada.  As opposed to right at 10,000 miles from the Panama Canal.

Yeah...this makes ALL kinds of economic sense!

[heironymouspasparagus]

Oh....and there is this.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMkYlIA7mgw

[guido911]

Senate voted 59-41 against the XL pipeline. Wonder how Landrieu is feeling about now?

[guido911]

Just used Google Earth to look at the paths involved.  To take oil from Alberta to Houston to Panama Canal means the oil is going to move about 4,000 miles just to get to the entrance to the Canal.  Versus about 580 miles to get to the Pacific on the west side of Canada.

Then, when loaded on a ship and taken to China, add about 6,000 miles shipping from Canada.  As opposed to right at 10,000 miles from the Panama Canal.

Yeah...this makes ALL kinds of economic sense!

I think Obama was trying to make a similar point. 3 Pinocchios--for whatever that is worth. 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2014/11/20/obamas-claim-that-keystone-crude-would-go-everywhere-else-but-the-united-states/

[heironymouspasparagus]

I think Obama was trying to make a similar point. 3 Pinocchios--for whatever that is worth.  

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2014/11/20/obamas-claim-that-keystone-crude-would-go-everywhere-else-but-the-united-states/

Transcanada - the company that is building the pipeline - has said that the oil is most likely to be exported to China and other parts of southeast Asia.  

They have also contradicted Paul Ryan's and even the US State Department lies about how many jobs are going to be created - there will NEVER be 42,000 new jobs for any length of time.  Transcanada estimates about 4,000.

The liars say tens of thousands construction jobs will be for 'over two years'.  Transcanada has said it should be less than 2 years, and probably less than or near 18 months.

The liars try to say that thousands of jobs will continue "forever".  The real numbers from the company estimate 35 to 50 permanent jobs.

The liars wax poetic about "good paying jobs".... tax revenues... Nirvana on the prairie.  The oil is planned to be shipped to a duty free zone - which means it is virtually guaranteed to be exported and no taxes accrue here.

Tell me again - how is it this is gonna be so great for the US?


And the much longer distances involved mean it is gonna take proportionally just that much more shipping fuel to get there.  Not to mention the extra pollution involved in doubling or tripling the extra shipping distance.  How clever of us.....

[Conan71]

Transcanada - the company that is building the pipeline - has said that the oil is most likely to be exported to China and other parts of southeast Asia.  

They have also contradicted Paul Ryan's and even the US State Department lies about how many jobs are going to be created - there will NEVER be 42,000 new jobs for any length of time.  Transcanada estimates about 4,000.

The liars say tens of thousands construction jobs will be for 'over two years'.  Transcanada has said it should be less than 2 years, and probably less than or near 18 months.

The liars try to say that thousands of jobs will continue "forever".  The real numbers from the company estimate 35 to 50 permanent jobs.

The liars wax poetic about "good paying jobs".... tax revenues... Nirvana on the prairie.  The oil is planned to be shipped to a duty free zone - which means it is virtually guaranteed to be exported and no taxes accrue here.

Tell me again - how is it this is gonna be so great for the US?


And the much longer distances involved mean it is gonna take proportionally just that much more shipping fuel to get there.  Not to mention the extra pollution involved in doubling or tripling the extra shipping distance.  How clever of us.....

I've been thinking once I retire I might get current with my ASEL, get my commercial ticket, then get into flying pipeline inspections.

[Hoss]

I've been thinking once I retire I might get current with my ASEL, get my commercial ticket, then get into flying pipeline inspections.

I hear 'second mortgage' coming.   

[Conan71]

I hear 'second mortgage' coming.   

Hah hah!  Nah, I figured I'd find some generous pipeline company to provide that plane for me. 

When I was flying out of Chrisitansen they had a 172 which had been retired from pipeline duty, I don't recall who the pipeline company who had owned it before was now.  It had something like 10,000 or 12,000 hours on it but it was clean and really well-maintained.  It had a cruise prop on it, and IIRC I think it would do 125-130 knots.  Not your run of the mill clapped-out 172 rental that would do 115 with a strong tailwind. 

[Hoss]

Hah hah!  Nah, I figured I'd find some generous pipeline company to provide that plane for me. 

When I was flying out of Chrisitansen they had a 172 which had been retired from pipeline duty, I don't recall who the pipeline company who had owned it before was now.  It had something like 10,000 or 12,000 hours on it but it was clean and really well-maintained.  It had a cruise prop on it, and IIRC I think it would do 125-130 knots.  Not your run of the mill clapped-out 172 rental that would do 115 with a strong tailwind. 

I wasn't talking about the plane necessarily, with as much as flight school costs now.   

[heironymouspasparagus]

I've been thinking once I retire I might get current with my ASEL, get my commercial ticket, then get into flying pipeline inspections.

That would be a sweet gig.... get to fly....look for slicks on the ground, which ain't gonna happen for the vast majority of the time.  Commune with nature from 500 feet.  And paid to do it!!  Nice!

[patric]

I hear 'second mortgage' coming.   

Or you could fly around DRT Boxes that dragnet cell phone data.  The money to "fight terrorism " is limitless, dontcha know?

[Conan71]

I wasn't talking about the plane necessarily, with as much as flight school costs now.   

I wonder how much 10 hours of 172 block time is these days, wet, any idea?