trash by existance not valume

[shadows]

I have a 45 gallon trash cart (trash haulers will not empty) that sits out in the open.  When the Oklahoma prevailing winds increase they treat it like a cardboard box. 

We are not taking in consideration the possibilities of streets clutered with empty trash carts and the liability that can occur by these wind blown missiles.

Who will be liable if a wind blown cart causes a wreck when the driver tries to dodge it?
If it damages their auto?
If it injures a person on the side walk or crossing the street?
Children leaving the school bus?
City workman comp cost is being looked into; now is the city prepared for claims that could be generated by the trash cart missiles?
Or WC for workers back injuries because of lifting oveweighted trash carts?

[Hoss]

I have a 45 gallon trash cart (trash haulers will not empty) that sits out in the open.  When the Oklahoma prevailing winds increase they treat it like a cardboard box. 

We are not taking in consideration the possibilities of streets clutered with empty trash carts and the liability that can occur by these wind blown missiles.

Who will be liable if a wind blown cart causes a wreck when the driver tries to dodge it?
If it damages their auto?
If it injures a person on the side walk or crossing the street?
Children leaving the school bus?
City workman comp cost is being looked into; now is the city prepared for claims that could be generated by the trash cart missiles?
Or WC for workers back injuries because of lifting oveweighted trash carts?

Why out in the open?  You do realize that you must bring your container away from the pickup point no later than 12 hours after pickup..right?  Keep mine up on the porch where it remains through the strongest of winds.  Mine's a 50 gallon container and they never have rejected it.

I think you're doing it wrong....

[RecycleMichael]

I have a 45 gallon trash cart (trash haulers will not empty)...

...Or WC for workers back injuries because of lifting oveweighted trash carts?

Yes, you are breaking the rules. The workers could hurt themselves trying to empty your illegal cart.

The new system will have automated flippers that empty the new  90 gallon carts. All the workers have to do is to wheel the cart over to the truck and then return to the curb.

[Hoss]

Yes, you are breaking the rules. The workers could hurt themselves trying to empty your illegal cart.

The new system will have automated flippers that empty the new  90 gallon carts. All the workers have to do is to wheel the cart over to the truck and then return to the curb.

Is mine illegal?  Granted it's never full, and I always bag my indoor refuse, but didn't realize the 50 gallon cart might be illegal.  It's the only one I have and sometimes I don't need to put it out but once a week.  Actually, most of the time that's the case, but I do put it out if I have a bag or two (usually these are 13 gallon trash bags).  Hasn't been quite as much since I started with green recycle bins a couple of years ago.   

[Conan71]

Shadows, the trash carts are heavier than most poly and metal type trash cans in use now.  Those and their lids are a real hazard in windy conditions.  I've not seen empty trash carts blown out into the street in north Tulsa or in Midwest City where my future wife lives.  I also don't believe you will see nearly as many instances of dogs and other animals tipping over trash cans.

Sorry, but I think you missed on this argument.

[shadows]

Why out in the open?  You do realize that you must bring your container away from the pickup point no later than 12 hours after pickup..right?  Keep mine up on the porch where it remains through the strongest of winds.  Mine's a 50 gallon container and they never have rejected it.

I think you're doing it wrong....

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Two hundred fifty thousand wind blown missiles trash carts, divided by 5 working days (50,000 each day) with a part of them sitting by the curb up to 12 hours a day will not cause a hazard to the citizens and their children?

Front porch should be used  to fill trash carts?  Don’t that make a trashy front  porch entrance?

[RecycleMichael]

Why do you look to make up problems, shadows?

Almost every large city in America already uses these carts as well as almost every suburb of Tulsa. I have tried to find a single scrap of evidence where a 95 gallon trash cart became a missile or became a hazard to citizens or children.

But I guess you could be first.

[shadows]

Why do you look to make up problems, shadows?

Almost every large city in America already uses these carts as well as almost every suburb of Tulsa. I have tried to find a single scrap of evidence where a 95 gallon trash cart became a missile or became a hazard to citizens or children.

But I guess you could be first.

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Broken Arrow, a fast growing city adjoining Tulsa to the south, furnish  trash bags without cost to its citizens, and the city picks the filled ones up twice a week.  It is required by the city to bag all trash whereas when the truck leaves, the curb is clean of trash carts or trash cans.  We all look for solutions for our problems and overlook those solutions that are working within our sight.

Follow the money is the best answer to government problems

Most cities must not have as many hungery Attorneys as Tulsa.

[RecycleMichael]

Broken Arrow is converting to carts as well.

Broken Arrow charges the citizens more each month to pay for the bags. The monthly price is more than two dollars more than what Tulsans pay. Those bags aren't free.

[Red Arrow]

I have tried to find a single scrap of evidence where a 95 gallon trash cart became a missile or became a hazard to citizens or children.
But I guess you could be first.

Think explosives trashcan propellant.

[shadows]

Broken Arrow is converting to carts as well.

Broken Arrow charges the citizens more each month to pay for the bags. The monthly price is more than two dollars more than what Tulsans pay. Those bags aren't free.

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Broken Arrow has tried before to convert to another system but the outcry from citizens tabled the idea.  It comes up ever year but the citizen’s don’t want smelly trash carts sitting on their front porches.  They also allow citizens a choice of city or private pickup.  Would you not consider this an advanced policy?  Cost is $14.50

One should define what is trash that the world’s east and mid-east are paying a premium for. 

Have you seen a BA trash pickup bill?  Want me to post a copy?  OR would that be permitted?

[Hoss]

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Broken Arrow has tried before to convert to another system but the outcry from citizens tabled the idea.  It comes up ever year but the citizen's don't want smelly trash carts sitting on their front porches.  They also allow citizens a choice of city or private pickup.  Would you not consider this an advanced policy?  Cost is $14.50

One should define what is trash that the world's east and mid-east are paying a premium for. 

Have you seen a BA trash pickup bill?  Want me to post a copy?  OR would that be permitted?

Think I'ma defer to RM on this.  If anyone knows ANYTHING about trash, he DOES...

[Red Arrow]

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It comes up ever year but the citizen's don't want smelly trash carts sitting on their front porches. 

The carts don't smell too bad if you bag your trash before putting it in the cart.  We put bags in all our large inside trash cans and empty the little ones into the large ones with bags before putting the trash in the outside cart.  Cardboard boxes etc don't usually smell too bad.  I can't help you with the front porch thing.  We put our cart on the backyard side of the garage door since our garage door doesn't face the street.  I guess we could put up a small trash cart privacy fence if we wanted to.

[RecycleMichael]

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Cost is $14.50
Have you seen a BA trash pickup bill?  Want me to post a copy?  OR would that be permitted?

Sure. Do you have a current bill?

The cost went up to $15.50 on January 1st.

[Hoss]

Also...think about this now...if you recycle the way you are supposed to, those four to six bags of trash become two, and a good size bin (or bins) of recyclable waste.

RM, will the recycling style change, or will we be able to put other kinds of recycle items (things other than #1 and #2 plastics come to mind) into the stream?

Thanks.