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Started by Ed W, February 26, 2012, 01:55:39 PM

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Ed

May you live in interesting times.

Townsend

That's why he wants to burn all of them.

carltonplace

Quote from: Townsend on February 27, 2012, 10:28:17 AM
That's why he wants to burn all of them.

Excluding the bible of course. Don't read the bible...have someone else tell you what it contains and believe their word unequivocally, but by all means don't burn one. I'm certain that burning a Quran or Torah is fine though. 

AquaMan

One of his latest gaffes was to respond to JFK's remarks back in 1960 about how his religious affiliation should have nothing to do with his political stands as he believed that government worked best when separated from religion. As background, Kennedy had to face serious anti-Catholic sentiment at the time including the belief that "the Pope would run the country if Kennedy was elected...". He successfully navigated those waters and became the first Catholic to be elected president iirc, blazing the way for other Catholics, like Santorum, to become president.

Santorum's view of Kennedy's remarks?  "When I heard him say that it just made me want to throw-up"
onward...through the fog

JCnOwasso

I fear for our country if he gets elected.  I don't have a problem with religion; I do have a problem with religion [any religion] in politics.  If the "Church" wants a say in the daily workings of our nation, they can pay taxes just like the rest of us.

I guess he and many of the "moral majority" don't realize that once you begin to allow for some type of state sponsered religion, you open the door for ANY religion to claim equal rights.  You want to allow the Christian Church the ability to do X on tax payer funded land, you better be ready to allow every other religion the ability to do the same.  A great example is military boot camp.  Sundays are church days, and they have to allow everyone the equal opportunity to have church.  Which means there are a pleathora of different ceremonies, christian, catholic, budhist, wiccan, jewish, mormon, muslim etc.  The cost of implementing this has to be extreme, but you can either have church for everyone, or not have church at all. 

Just like bringing candy to school, if you don't have enough for the class, you better not get caught with it. 

 
 

Townsend

Quote from: JCnOwasso on February 27, 2012, 01:33:30 PM
I fear for our country if he gets elected.  I don't have a problem with religion; I do have a problem with religion [any religion] in politics.  If the "Church" wants a say in the daily workings of our nation, they can pay taxes just like the rest of us.

I guess he and many of the "moral majority" don't realize that once you begin to allow for some type of state sponsered religion, you open the door for ANY religion to claim equal rights.  You want to allow the Christian Church the ability to do X on tax payer funded land, you better be ready to allow every other religion the ability to do the same.  A great example is military boot camp.  Sundays are church days, and they have to allow everyone the equal opportunity to have church.  Which means there are a pleathora of different ceremonies, christian, catholic, budhist, wiccan, jewish, mormon, muslim etc.  The cost of implementing this has to be extreme, but you can either have church for everyone, or not have church at all. 

Just like bringing candy to school, if you don't have enough for the class, you better not get caught with it. 

Well, if you don't allow the Christian church to operate on a day or location you're going to war on religion.  If you allow another religion to do the same then you're giving into terrorists/extremists.  At least during an election year or in Oklahoma.

Conan71

Quote from: JCnOwasso on February 27, 2012, 01:33:30 PM
I fear for our country if he gets elected.  I don't have a problem with religion; I do have a problem with religion [any religion] in politics.  If the "Church" wants a say in the daily workings of our nation, they can pay taxes just like the rest of us.

I guess he and many of the "moral majority" don't realize that once you begin to allow for some type of state sponsered religion, you open the door for ANY religion to claim equal rights.  You want to allow the Christian Church the ability to do X on tax payer funded land, you better be ready to allow every other religion the ability to do the same.  A great example is military boot camp.  Sundays are church days, and they have to allow everyone the equal opportunity to have church.  Which means there are a pleathora of different ceremonies, christian, catholic, budhist, wiccan, jewish, mormon, muslim etc.  The cost of implementing this has to be extreme, but you can either have church for everyone, or not have church at all. 

Just like bringing candy to school, if you don't have enough for the class, you better not get caught with it. 

 

A great example of why I HATE partisan politics with every ounce of my being.

There's no more chance of state-sponsored religion under Santorum or any other Republican than there was of President Obama emptying our gun safes when he was elected.  There's also little chance of Roe V. Wade ever being repealed so I can't honestly see why abortion is still an issue at election time.

The church has had a say in our country since it was founded.  Yes, I've heard the argument that the founding fathers were supposedly mostly secular in belief and some may have even been atheist or agnostic.  Take a look at so many of our laws and many revolve around a certain amount of what you could find in religious scripture, whether it's of the Judeo-Christian variety or something else similar and that influence has been in state and federal law-writing since the Constitution was written.

Don't pay attention to the fear.  Be a free-thinker and watch with a more cynical eye when people try to push that claptrap on you. 

"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

JCnOwasso

Quote from: Conan71 on February 27, 2012, 01:52:40 PM
A great example of why I HATE partisan politics with every ounce of my being.

Don't pay attention to the fear.  Be a free-thinker and watch with a more cynical eye when people try to push that claptrap on you. 
I know there is no chance of a state sponsered religion, no chance of any president taking our guns, and very little chance that Mitt will strap any one of us on the roof of his presidential limo during a road trip to the Hamptons. 

And don't get me wrong, my fear does not lay with these items.  I fear an uprising of bat smurf crazy Tea Partiers.  I fear that we will have president who is close minded and only believes that things can be fixed in one manner.  I fear that we put too much emphasis on our relationship with Israel and it will be the eventual beginning of WWIII.  I have many other irrational fears about Al Michaels officiating my funeral, and John Madden jumping up and saying  "Pow, Tough Actin, Tinactin."
 

Townsend

I'm with JC.

I don't fear that the extremes will happen.

I fear the people and groups who want the extremes and what they can accomplish.

Conan71

Quote from: Townsend on February 27, 2012, 02:16:04 PM
I'm with JC.

I don't fear that the extremes will happen.

I fear the people and groups who want the extremes and what they can accomplish.

Oh, you mean like the left getting Obamacare?  ;D

Quote from: JCnOwasso on February 27, 2012, 02:12:35 PM
I have many other irrational fears about Al Michaels officiating my funeral, and John Madden jumping up and saying  "Pow, Tough Actin, Tinactin."

You too? 
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

Ed W

Quote from: Townsend on February 27, 2012, 10:28:17 AM
That's why he wants to burn all of them.

Are you suggesting that I burn one for little Ricky?...oh, wait....you're talking about books!  Never mind.
Ed

May you live in interesting times.