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Why are we in Afghanistan?

Started by Gaspar, February 27, 2012, 08:11:22 AM

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ZYX

Quote from: Gaspar on February 27, 2012, 08:11:22 AM
Can anyone tell me why the hell we are still in Afghanistan?

We are spending billions to build schools and train police over there, and they hate us.  We're launching hundreds of drone strikes, killing hundreds of "terrorists" and getting nowhere.  It's like trying to eradicate an infestation of cockroaches by shooting rubber bands at them.

We got Sadam, we got Bin Laden, time to cut bait!

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/24/world/asia/koran-burning-afghanistan-demonstrations.html?hp



My dad and I talked about this yesterday. I have no clue why we are still there.

Teatownclown

Quote from: Gaspar on February 27, 2012, 08:55:57 AM
I've come to the conclusion that Al Qaeda and the Taliban are not our enemies.  They are just different names for the same disease.  That disease if funded 100% by us.  Stop the foreign aid, stop the protectionism, and let them collapse into barbarism.  That's the only way they can possibly give birth to a society willing to survive, and a people willing to die for their freedom.  Most likely the sands will simply swallow them, Isreal will annihilate them, or they will become Russa's problem for another hundred years.



Close. Al Queda is not our friend while the Taliban might be again someday. But the enemy is op. And our world is hooked on it. So just remember why we're really there. We have a vested interest in the war on drugs.

Maybe POTUS OBAMA will declare an end the two wars at once when he gets re elected and has a mandate.

shadows

Quote from: Gaspar on February 27, 2012, 08:11:22 AM
Can anyone tell me why the hell we are still in Afghanistan?

We are spending billions to build schools and train police over there, and they hate us.  We're launching hundreds of drone strikes, killing hundreds of "terrorists" and getting nowhere.  It's like trying to eradicate an infestation of cockroaches by shooting rubber bands at them.

We got Sadam, we got Bin Laden, time to cut bait!

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/24/world/asia/koran-burning-afghanistan-demonstrations.html?hp
Why we are in Afghanistan?  Simple what would we do with 100,000 more unemployed added to those we already have.  The wars have all been fought around the great sea of the Gentiles.  The countries within 300 miles of the sea cannot remember when they were not next door or involved in a war.  Drugs have nothing to do with the war except for propaganda.  We can and do produce methamphetamine in quantities that far exceeds all drugs produced in Afghanistan.  We have fed it to our soldiers in the battle field and children going to school. China isolated it 500 years ago. 

All the emperors have in the past made the march around the sea of the Gentiles.  Many of their defeats were attributed to their supply lines becoming too long. We just got-a try it again and again.
     

 
Today we stand in ecstasy and view that we build today'
Tomorrow we will enter into the plea to have it torn away.

Hoss

Quote from: shadows on March 03, 2012, 08:33:18 PM
Why we are in Afghanistan?  Simple what would we do with 100,000 more unemployed added to those we already have.  The wars have all been fought around the great sea of the Gentiles.  The countries within 300 miles of the sea cannot remember when they were not next door or involved in a war.  Drugs have nothing to do with the war except for propaganda.  We can and do produce methamphetamine in quantities that far exceeds all drugs produced in Afghanistan.  We have fed it to our soldiers in the battle field and children going to school. China isolated it 500 years ago. 

All the emperors have in the past made the march around the sea of the Gentiles.  Many of their defeats were attributed to their supply lines becoming too long. We just got-a try it again and again.
     

 


Wow squared...

heironymouspasparagus

Quote from: Hoss on March 03, 2012, 10:15:19 PM
Wow squared...

There is a kernel of truth/reality in his note.  It's just kind of hard to get there.

"So he brandished a gun, never shot anyone or anything right?"  --TeeDub, 17 Feb 2018.

I don't share my thoughts because I think it will change the minds of people who think differently.  I share my thoughts to show the people who already think like me that they are not alone.

Hoss

Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on March 04, 2012, 07:55:21 AM
There is a kernel of truth/reality in his note.  It's just kind of hard to get there.



Anytime he starts spewing about the Gentiles, though, he's gone.

patric

Quote from: shadows on March 03, 2012, 08:33:18 PM
Why we are in Afghanistan?  Simple what would we do with 100,000 more unemployed added to those we already have. 

So is it more economical to have that 100,000 employed in a war machine that goes through our nation's assets like crap through a goose, than it is to have them employed (or "about to be" employed) in the civilian workforce?

Some of them still have jobs when they come home, so it's not like we would suddenly add 100K to the unemployed numbers.
"Tulsa will lay off police and firemen before we will cut back on unnecessarily wasteful streetlights."  -- March 18, 2009 TulsaNow Forum

shadows

Quote from: patric on March 04, 2012, 10:29:28 AM
So is it more economical to have that 100,000 employed in a war machine that goes through our nation's assets like crap through a goose, than it is to have them employed (or "about to be" employed) in the civilian workforce?

Some of them still have jobs when they come home, so it's not like we would suddenly add 100K to the unemployed numbers.

There is a lull by the people when a segment of wars end and the returning troops seek their jobs back that has been replaced which shows an increase in unemployment.
We are a nation that depends on seeing the world in a constant struggle while we duplicate the seminaries to that of England's war of the roses.  We have an everlasting internal war going on between the military and the corporate America where both seek power at the expense of the working poor.  Great profits can be obtained by corporate America and the military can exert their lust for power, with an open government check book, all under clouds of war of which no one dares to challenges. It is the continuation of man's struggle to evolve in the species called apes. 
Today we stand in ecstasy and view that we build today'
Tomorrow we will enter into the plea to have it torn away.

Hoss

Quote from: shadows on March 04, 2012, 05:58:36 PM
There is a lull by the people when a segment of wars end and the returning troops seek their jobs back that has been replaced which shows an increase in unemployment.
We are a nation that depends on seeing the world in a constant struggle while we duplicate the seminaries to that of England's war of the roses.  We have an everlasting internal war going on between the military and the corporate America where both seek power at the expense of the working poor.  Great profits can be obtained by corporate America and the military can exert their lust for power, with an open government check book, all under clouds of war of which no one dares to challenges. It is the continuation of man's struggle to evolve in the species called apes. 


Never ceases to amaze...

RecycleMichael

Quote from: shadows on March 04, 2012, 05:58:36 PM
There is a lull by the people when a segment of wars end and the returning troops seek their jobs back that has been replaced which shows an increase in unemployment.

So we shouldn't ever bring the troops home because we don't want them competing for jobs back here?

Why don't you explain that to our veteran's? 
Power is nothing till you use it.

Red Arrow

Quote from: RecycleMichael on March 04, 2012, 06:35:10 PM
So we shouldn't ever bring the troops home because we don't want them competing for jobs back here?

Why don't you explain that to our veteran's? 

And their families.
 

shadows

Quote from: RecycleMichael on March 04, 2012, 06:35:10 PM
So we shouldn't ever bring the troops home because we don't want them competing for jobs back here?

Why don't you explain that to our veteran's? 

In today's labor market where could they find a job where the family is given substance pay, health insurance and other perks while the veteran get free clothing, free rent, priority food, pension's and a decent salary with plenty of help with what he is told to do?
In the over sea's environment he is a target for racial and radical groups but how would one feel if a foreign army was camped in their front yard.  He possibly is in less danger than if he was walking down the Tulsa streets after mid-night. In today's labor market where could they find a job where the family is given substance pay, health insurance and other perks while the veteran get free clothing, free rent, priority food, pension's and a decent salary with plenty of help with what he is told to do?
In the over sea's environment he is a target for racial and radical groups but how would one feel if a foreign army was camped in their front yard.  He possibly is in less danger than if he was walking down the Tulsa streets after mid-night.
Today we stand in ecstasy and view that we build today'
Tomorrow we will enter into the plea to have it torn away.

Red Arrow

Quote from: shadows on March 04, 2012, 09:49:32 PM
veteran get free clothing, free rent, priority food, pension's and a decent salary with plenty of help with what he is told to do?

When I was in the Navy, the first uniform was free.  After that, there was a clothing allowance but it was not "free".  Free rent in the barracks.  Gee thanks. Allowance for quarters was about 1/2 to 1/3 of the going rate for a fleabag apartment in the Virginia Beach area.  Chow hall food wasn't bad but nothing to write home about.  Decent salary?  Not for a college grad when I was enlisted (due to the draft).  Being told what to do is not all it's cracked up to be if you have a mind of your own.

For those who like the service, I appreciate their dedication and years of duty.  They all deserve our respect.
 

shadows


The draft was eliminated years ago and we have maintain an over stock of volunteer as many are enthused with military life.
Today we stand in ecstasy and view that we build today'
Tomorrow we will enter into the plea to have it torn away.

heironymouspasparagus

Quote from: Red Arrow on March 04, 2012, 09:56:05 PM
When I was in the Navy, the first uniform was free.  After that, there was a clothing allowance but it was not "free".  Free rent in the barracks.  Gee thanks. Allowance for quarters was about 1/2 to 1/3 of the going rate for a fleabag apartment in the Virginia Beach area.  Chow hall food wasn't bad but nothing to write home about.  Decent salary?  Not for a college grad when I was enlisted (due to the draft).  Being told what to do is not all it's cracked up to be if you have a mind of your own.

For those who like the service, I appreciate their dedication and years of duty.  They all deserve our respect.


Good friend in the Navy shared a villa with a buddy for $100 per month each.  Included a large house (villa), gardener, cook, maid, driver, utilities and cost of food.


"So he brandished a gun, never shot anyone or anything right?"  --TeeDub, 17 Feb 2018.

I don't share my thoughts because I think it will change the minds of people who think differently.  I share my thoughts to show the people who already think like me that they are not alone.