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[Red Arrow]

So you're saying that it's not important that health insurance cover contraception?

I am mildly surprised that no one has complained that government funded free contraception is genocide on poor folk.

[Ed W]

I believe Chick-Fil-A and Hobby Lobby are closed on Sunday because of the employers' religious viewpoint.  Are you saying the employees should be able to force them to open on Sunday?

Good point.  I'll give it some thought....but not tonight.  It's been a loooong day.

[Conan71]

I believe Chick-Fil-A and Hobby Lobby are closed on Sunday because of the employers' religious viewpoint.  Are you saying the employees should be able to force them to open on Sunday?

McKee Foods (aka Little Debbie).  The McKee family is Seventh Day Adventist.  Closed on Saturdays, the plants, company-owned transportation, whole nine yards.

If it's a religious school, Ed, the school can hire only members of it's religious faith and discriminate much like tribes do for their own kind.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Geez, people!  Think about it!  You wouldn't rather pay a little now to keep them from having babies?  Rather than the alternative??  Can't never tell - they might grow up to be Oklahoma legislators!!!!

[Red Arrow]

Geez, people!  Think about it!  You wouldn't rather pay a little now to keep them from having babies?  Rather than the alternative??  Can't never tell - they might grow up to be Oklahoma legislators!!!!

More likely to grow up to be Democrats.  I say let them have free contraception.

[heironymouspasparagus]

More likely to grow up to be Democrats.  I say let them have free contraception.

This is one case where I am all for 'socialized birth control'.

[guido911]

Oh, I dunno Gweed....you may have to wait a bit longer....

When a religious organization operates a business, whether it's a hospital, bookstore, or a newspaper, it's no longer a strictly religious institution.  It's an employer, and like any other employer it has to treat employees fairly.  And since those employees are likely from diverse backgrounds and have diverse religious viewpoints, it's not right that their employer can impose his own religious viewpoint on them.  

It's entirely different when the employees are working within the church, such as a church secretary, librarian, or counselor.  The church still acts as an employer, yet the church is free to discriminate and see that these employees are of the faith.  In the other situation, say where the church operates a hospital, the employees cannot be required to belong to the church, so providing health care coverage - including contraception - isn't a matter of religious freedom.  It has far more to do with fair employment.

Really, when a religious organization operates a business it's an employer? What about businesses having less than 15 people? What about private clubs operating businesses? Hows about Indian tribes? Fact is, exceptions riddle the "you're a business, now treat everyone fairly" meme you are running with right now.
Now, the idea that an employee of a religious-oriented business should not have that religious viewpoint imposed on them is a non-starter to me. You don't like what the catholic church has to say on contraception or abortion? Work elsewhere. Why should a religious institution toss out its belief structure in favor of an employee? Since when is it government's job to stick its nose in the affairs of churches (in this case, telling a church how it conducts business). Something about separation of church and state is coming to mind...

[nathanm]

You don't like what the catholic church has to say on contraception or abortion? Work elsewhere.

You don't like paying those union dues? Work elsewhere.

[guido911]

You don't like paying those union dues? Work elsewhere.

Now you are getting it. Finally.

[nathanm]

Now you are getting it. Finally.

Pull the other one.

[Red Arrow]

Pull the other one.

Get the Federal Government to help de-certify the Union would be the analogy to having the Feds require the Church to supply contraception.

[Conan71]

Geez, people!  Think about it!  You wouldn't rather pay a little now to keep them from having babies?  Rather than the alternative??  Can't never tell - they might grow up to be Oklahoma legislators!!!!

Why should I take responsibility for someone else's irresponsibility?

[guido911]

Why should I take responsibility for someone else's irresponsibility?

Welcome to our welfare state Conan. We bailed out the auto companies and banks already, doesn't our junk need bailing out?

[Townsend]

Something about separation of church and state is coming to mind...

Funny how that pops up only when it's helpful to one's argument.

[Gaspar]

We need separation of junk and state!