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Conan71

Quote from: RecycleMichael on March 14, 2012, 07:38:39 AM
The one thing that baffles me about conservatives is that they believe that they decide everything. They know how everybody else feels about everything and what they should do or say.

You or no one else can justify the abuse by Rush Limbaugh by saying it is all about your wallet. Rush was wrong and you are too. 

And liberals don't?  The liberal group think seems to be that people are too stupid to make their own decisions so government must decide what is best.
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

Hoss

Quote from: erfalf on March 14, 2012, 08:29:24 AM
Never said I was justifying Rush. You reached the wrong conclusion. I was pointing out that libs use the argument I mentioned to justify attacking the likes of Palin & Bachman and such.

I don't know how they feel, but I know what they say. And it is pretty clear that the sources I mentioned feel exactly as I described.

Most of the libs I know attack those two because of that vacuous space in between their ears.  Or at least the appearance of such.

nathanm

Quote from: erfalf on March 14, 2012, 07:06:18 AM
First, it could be argued that in many cases it is just as much a war on men('s pocketbooks).

Wow.....just wow.

Conan, yeah, sometimes people are too stupid to make their own decisions. That's why we have the Electoral College and why the Senate wasn't originally directly elected.
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

Hoss

Quote from: nathanm on March 14, 2012, 10:56:19 AM
Wow.....just wow.

Conan, yeah, sometimes people are too stupid to make their own decisions. That's why we have the Electoral College and why the Senate wasn't originally directly elected.

Yep, WCG...

carltonplace


erfalf

Quote from: nathanm on March 14, 2012, 10:56:19 AM
Wow.....just wow.

Conan, yeah, sometimes people are too stupid to make their own decisions. That's why we have the Electoral College and why the Senate wasn't originally directly elected.

So who decides who the stupid people are again?
"Trust but Verify." - The Gipper

Townsend

Quote from: erfalf on March 14, 2012, 11:56:10 AM
So who decides who the stupid people are again?

They tend to volunteer themselves.

nathanm

Quote from: erfalf on March 14, 2012, 11:56:10 AM
So who decides who the stupid people are again?

Ask Thomas Jefferson and James Madison.
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

Red Arrow

Quote from: nathanm on March 14, 2012, 10:56:19 AM
Conan, yeah, sometimes people are too stupid to make their own decisions. That's why we have the Electoral College and why the Senate wasn't originally directly elected.

Now that the Senate is.... look at what we have.
 

Townsend

Quote from: Red Arrow on March 14, 2012, 12:47:47 PM
Now that the Senate is.... look at what we have.

Appointed by the "they".

Said in a sarcastic tone..."elected, psshhhht."

TheArtist

Quote from: Conan71 on March 14, 2012, 09:09:56 AM
And liberals don't?  The liberal group think seems to be that people are too stupid to make their own decisions so government must decide what is best.

Unfortunately I don't think there is a monopoly in that regard. For every liberal example of," people are too stupid to make their own descisions so the government must decide", I can find a conservative example of that as well.
"When you only have two pennies left in the world, buy a loaf of bread with one, and a lily with the other."-Chinese proverb. "Arts a staple. Like bread or wine or a warm coat in winter. Those who think it is a luxury have only a fragment of a mind. Mans spirit grows hungry for art in the same way h

Townsend

#71
Quote from: TheArtist on March 14, 2012, 01:04:27 PM
Unfortunately I don't think there is a monopoly in that regard. For every liberal example of," people are too stupid to make their own descisions so the government must decide", I can find a conservative example of that as well.

You mean like?

-"you can only marry these people"
-"you can't have that done.  I don't care if it saves your life"
-"You can only see these films"
-"we only want this religion pushed in schools."

I forgot..."you can only drink these beverages and only buy it on these days from these businesses and once it's opened you must be inside due to your shame*."  (*Unless someone pays for a license and police protection)


nathanm

It's not so much that people are too stupid to make their own decisions. It's more like incentives are perversely aligned in a way that leads many or most people to make a stupid decision. The health insurance market is a great example of this. Every component, whether it be the insurer, the employer, the doctor/service provider, or the patient are all making decisions that maximize their own benefit, even when that results in an overall higher cost to the whole group.

People choose not to buy health insurance because they're "healthy". Doctors choose to run unnecessary tests. Insurers choose to continue without standardization. All these things are great individually, but when combined and magnified across the scale of our entire health care system, it's a disaster.

Same with outsourcing. It benefits everybody who gets a say in the matter in the short term, but at what long term cost?

Same with the TBTF banks. Their idiotic schemes make perfect sense on the individual level. It is only when combined and magnified that they become the disaster we saw in 2008.

The list goes on and on and on.
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

RecycleMichael

Quote from: Conan71 on March 14, 2012, 09:09:56 AM
And liberals don't?  The liberal group think seems to be that people are too stupid to make their own decisions so government must decide what is best.

I agree that liberals are guilty of believing that government can often help. That belief is constantly strained by abuse, but under limits government involvement can be a positive thing in my opinion.

What I hear now is that everything that is connected to government is completely evil and unnecessary.

Why?
Power is nothing till you use it.

Conan71

Quote from: RecycleMichael on March 14, 2012, 01:52:13 PM


What I hear now is that everything that is connected to government is completely evil and unnecessary.

Why?

Campaign season for Republicans, that's why.

Government serves a great purpose in regulating commerce, consumer projection, labor law, and putting in safeguards which protect the greater good.  They also have countless miserable examples of creating a "nanny state" that's ridiculous.
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan